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Interesting Discussions of X-Men: First Class and Allegory Ahoy

zesticola:

“No matter Hollywood’s attempt to convey moral ambiguity, the viewer is obviously intended to side with Xavier when it all comes down. But the way most of the X-Men films have portrayed human aggression toward mutants resonates a little closely with, y’know, real life violence and oppression toward people of color, towards queer and gender non-conforming people, women. These are types of oppression which do not afford the privilege of a tolerant, “oh someday they’ll learn” attitude. As someone who supports the autonomy of communities to come together to defend themselves, ESPECIALLY against direct physical threats, it’s really hard to villanize someone like Magneto who, as portrayed in this most recent film, just wants the basic right to exist without conforming his identity or experience to a non-mutant expectation - someone who, as a Holocaust survivor, knows the extremes of human intolerance, someone who is expected to overlook his experience and try having faith in humanity again”

A Tiny Valve

this.

(via strengthofourlimbs)

And this is why Charles Xavier is a sheltered cock.

(via fussyfangs)

so, so true (although I interpreted the film as the heroic journey of Magneto, esp. with the ending scene, despite what the writers intended the audience to take away from the film)

Whoa I was totally left with the opposite! I think they pointed out frequently that Charles has had sheltered, privileged little life. The people that went with Magneto knew what it felt like to marginalized: Mystique, a sex worker, a Jewish dude, that…windy person who I didn’t think was Caucasian, and the demon dude that would stick out anywhere?

I think the most “Magneto is right” part is when Charles goes “They’re just following orders”. It’s such an awful thing to say, especially to a Holocaust survivor, and that is one of the mantras that is pretty famously attached to war but I would say ESPECIALLY WWII (correct me if I’m wrong). But especially in this context it’s like “REMEMBER NAZIS”. That one moment really hit home for me that Charles can never really understand, even though he’s brilliant, even though he can read people’s minds and understands so much (again, correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that was even a line in the movie?). 

It just really made it clear to me, and to Magneto I think, that “Charles, with all his privilege, with all his money, will never understand.” It was so painful and enraging to me! Weren’t some of the most painful parts how disturbingly unfeeling he was to his SISTER? For me, every time it happened it was clear that he didn’t understand what she was feeling at all. 

Even his THESIS was like “our ancestors killed the lower species” and still his mind does not connect any dots to the trouble there. Charles is simultaneously very deep but also painfully shallow! Unrealistic and lacking a true understanding! (Using his powers to hit on girls? Invading people’s privacy rather casually for his own means?). If I’m not mistaken, his goal was to be a professor! At a very prestigious (RICH AND EXCLUSIVE) college! While on the surface this seems very nice it’s also pretty bourgeoisie and pretentious and not very practical/pragmatic.

I was left going “MAGNETO IS RIGHT FOREVER” and AT BEST “This is an ambiguous movie”. I mean maybe I’m biased to think this way because I’m a minority but that is literally how I took it = what made me so happy about the film.

(via missveryvery)

Excellent commentary. I’ve been following X-Men comics forever (srsly, like 17 years, I’m not kidding) and I’d never given half a shit about Xavier before this film. At first I was scared I’m just that fucking shallow and the cute Scottish guy was blinding me, but in retrospect I realized it’s because they basically spent the whole film driving home how sheltered and spoiled and just awfully privileged he is. He’s such a Well Meaning Privileged Dude, he wants to be a champion for a minority but he doesn’t really grasp what systematic opression actually is because apart from being a mutant (and one with a inobtrusive mutation that allows him to pass, at that) the system has always worked for him and not against him, so he fails epically. It’s like he’s inventing the mutant version of mansplaining.

Seriously, if we weren’t supposed to think he was being a dickbag in all those scenes where he kept telling Raven to dial back the freaky blue look, I don’t know what the fuck else they were in the movie for.

(But the windy dude is played by a Spanish actor, as in a Spaniard, not Latino, so he’s actually white… but at the same time, if they didn’t want to exotify him in a ~hawt Mediterranean guy, olé flamenco~ kind of way I really don’t get the point of casting a foreign actor and then not giving him ANY lines because his English sucks or whatever, so the point still stands, I guess.)

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2 comments to Interesting Discussions of X-Men: First Class and Allegory Ahoy

  • I think the writers knew *exactly* what they were doing with this movie in re Charles and Erik. By the time he’s become the character we see in the earlier movies Magneto is a mutant supremacist but here he’s a separatist, and given how humans treat mutants it’s hard to say he’s wrong. And I’ve got to say, if you rewatch the other movies in light of First Class it really adds depth and nuance to how we view Erik, Charles, and Mystique.

    People have been complaing about the continuity glitches between the fixe X-Men movies, but if you’re a longtime comics fan it’s pretty easy to come up with handwaves to explain these away.

  • Jake Tannon

    But in many of the comic book incarnations of Magneto, he is pretty much hellbent on causing the extinction of the human race, rather than being a separatist (and I think we’ll see this as the film series progresses). That’s considered to be the great fallacy of Magneto and his enduring characteristic as a villain; he is so enraged and single-minded in his pursuit of ending homo sapiens in favor of homo superior (mutants), that he fails to realize he is perpetrating the exact same crimes as the Nazis. He assumes that what he is doing is different, that it is just natural evolution for one species to win out over another, but he is not taking into consideration the value of higher sentience, which up until the fictional “now,” homo sapiens had been the sole possessor of this trait.

    That’s why a lot of analysis of “X-Men: First Class” are kind of misguided. The writers just saw Michael Fassbender’s character and his actions and go with that.

    So basically, if you endorse Magneto, you kind of endorse human genocide; read up on the “Requiem” or “House of M” story arcs to see what I mean.

    As for Charles Xavier, what do you want him to do? Go balls to the wall and wage war against humanity for mutant rights, rather than work for a gradual peace? Yeah, THAT would just have great results. Stop holding his upbringing against him. He didn’t choose to be rich and sheltered; he’s doing the best that he can without resorting to killing or extremely aggressive measures. And the whole turning his back on his sister thing? They had a disagreement as to how they should proceed in regards to getting mutant rights. She did kinda leave him hanging, choosing to go with the guy who just caused his paralysis.