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		<title>By: Tac-T-Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tac-T-Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn...actually really like the cartoon series and was kind of amped to see it, alas, I shall not. Thanks for the heads up...now to explain it all to my lil sis (who watches the show with me all the time)...cosign Jenn&#039;s comment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn&#8230;actually really like the cartoon series and was kind of amped to see it, alas, I shall not. Thanks for the heads up&#8230;now to explain it all to my lil sis (who watches the show with me all the time)&#8230;cosign Jenn&#8217;s comment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Redd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sammi wrote:
&quot;Where my ancestors actually lived in peace with the natives, for the record. It helped that that period of southern African history is marked by a pattern of different groups conquering each other until the Hottentots were wiped out and the Kalahari tribes moved into the desert because no-one wanted it enough to kill them for it. My ancestors basically took land that was useless for the purposes of the natives, and lived there in peace until the British came and set out to kill them because it turned out there was a possibility of gold under their farms. Welcome to Africa, where EVERYONE got screwed over by the British.&quot;

Sorry Sammi, but No. The land your ancestors took was not &quot;useless for the purpose of the &#039;natives&#039;&quot;.  Those &quot;natives&quot; you refer to moved around. Just because they weren&#039;t there when you arrived, doesnt mean it wasnt theirs or wasnt wanted or wasnt used. Those &quot;natives&quot; were mankinds early environmentalists: use the land for a while, move on to let it recover. Your take on history is analogous to a thief coming accross a house whose owners have gone to the coast for the summer and deciding that the house is now his because it is &quot;useless for the purposes of the [owners]&quot;. I think not.

There&#039;s an ole African proverb that&#039;s apposite to your take on African history.  It says: &quot;Until the lion tells its tale, the story of the hunt will always glorify the hunter...&quot;
So yes, your history books may glorify your hunt, but be aware that they dont record the lions roar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sammi wrote:<br />
&#8220;Where my ancestors actually lived in peace with the natives, for the record. It helped that that period of southern African history is marked by a pattern of different groups conquering each other until the Hottentots were wiped out and the Kalahari tribes moved into the desert because no-one wanted it enough to kill them for it. My ancestors basically took land that was useless for the purposes of the natives, and lived there in peace until the British came and set out to kill them because it turned out there was a possibility of gold under their farms. Welcome to Africa, where EVERYONE got screwed over by the British.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry Sammi, but No. The land your ancestors took was not &#8220;useless for the purpose of the &#8216;natives&#8217;&#8221;.  Those &#8220;natives&#8221; you refer to moved around. Just because they weren&#8217;t there when you arrived, doesnt mean it wasnt theirs or wasnt wanted or wasnt used. Those &#8220;natives&#8221; were mankinds early environmentalists: use the land for a while, move on to let it recover. Your take on history is analogous to a thief coming accross a house whose owners have gone to the coast for the summer and deciding that the house is now his because it is &#8220;useless for the purposes of the [owners]&#8220;. I think not.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an ole African proverb that&#8217;s apposite to your take on African history.  It says: &#8220;Until the lion tells its tale, the story of the hunt will always glorify the hunter&#8230;&#8221;<br />
So yes, your history books may glorify your hunt, but be aware that they dont record the lions roar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on this. I love Avatar; it&#039;s one of the few animated shows I can watch without my sentiments being completely disturbed by sexist, racist, homophobic, or other disgusting undertones.

I declare the movie a failure as long as it has a single white actor in a leading role. This is equivalent as trying to cast Storm (from X-men) as a white woman. It requires &lt;i&gt;changing the story&lt;/i&gt;. Since the mythology of the Avatar-universe is very obviously not European-based at all, inserting those of European descent into the main leads completely changes the story. Not only that, the point you brought up--brown people killing brown people--infuriates the ever-loving hell out of me.

You&#039;d have to be eight different kinds of stupid to not realize the huge racist problems inherent in white-washing a story about &lt;i&gt;non-white people and their cultures&lt;/i&gt; and then casting non-whites (doesn&#039;t matter which non-whites, because the other is the the other, right?) only in major roles in which they are the villains. I wish I could say that this is rare, but it&#039;s inherent in almost every major action movie.

It&#039;s a total double-standard. If Hollywood was producing a movie about the French Revolution, they would not cast an obviously non-European person for the role of Louis XVI. They&#039;d never &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; do it, because it would obviously be historically inaccurate. But historical and cultural accuracy is only important for whites, right? No problem, let&#039;s just cast mostly white people to play roles that are obviously &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; for white people. Otherwise, you&#039;d have to cast those icky non-white people and pay them and see them be visible in Hollywood as real actors instead of disgusting caricature of non-white exotic backwardness!

Barf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this. I love Avatar; it&#8217;s one of the few animated shows I can watch without my sentiments being completely disturbed by sexist, racist, homophobic, or other disgusting undertones.</p>
<p>I declare the movie a failure as long as it has a single white actor in a leading role. This is equivalent as trying to cast Storm (from X-men) as a white woman. It requires <i>changing the story</i>. Since the mythology of the Avatar-universe is very obviously not European-based at all, inserting those of European descent into the main leads completely changes the story. Not only that, the point you brought up&#8211;brown people killing brown people&#8211;infuriates the ever-loving hell out of me.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d have to be eight different kinds of stupid to not realize the huge racist problems inherent in white-washing a story about <i>non-white people and their cultures</i> and then casting non-whites (doesn&#8217;t matter which non-whites, because the other is the the other, right?) only in major roles in which they are the villains. I wish I could say that this is rare, but it&#8217;s inherent in almost every major action movie.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a total double-standard. If Hollywood was producing a movie about the French Revolution, they would not cast an obviously non-European person for the role of Louis XVI. They&#8217;d never <i>ever</i> do it, because it would obviously be historically inaccurate. But historical and cultural accuracy is only important for whites, right? No problem, let&#8217;s just cast mostly white people to play roles that are obviously <i>not</i> for white people. Otherwise, you&#8217;d have to cast those icky non-white people and pay them and see them be visible in Hollywood as real actors instead of disgusting caricature of non-white exotic backwardness!</p>
<p>Barf.</p>
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		<title>By: Darkrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darkrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really glad they&#039;re not doing Book Two, because you just *know* they&#039;d cast a deaf actress as Toph. What? She&#039;s not blind, but it&#039;s almost the same thing, right?

Gah. I&#039;m just sick about this, and especially about the fact that it&#039;s being directed by a PoC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad they&#8217;re not doing Book Two, because you just *know* they&#8217;d cast a deaf actress as Toph. What? She&#8217;s not blind, but it&#8217;s almost the same thing, right?</p>
<p>Gah. I&#8217;m just sick about this, and especially about the fact that it&#8217;s being directed by a PoC.</p>
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		<title>By: brownstocking</title>
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		<dc:creator>brownstocking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mm, and can I add, as a Black person: um, this isn&#039;t going to make the NAACP happy. So, forget the patronizing, &quot;throw a Negro in there&quot; attempt, and show ATLAB how it&#039;s supposed to be shown. I enjoyed it, all the way until the end (sniff) without once thinking, &quot;Gee, where my peeps at?&quot;

Dag!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mm, and can I add, as a Black person: um, this isn&#8217;t going to make the NAACP happy. So, forget the patronizing, &#8220;throw a Negro in there&#8221; attempt, and show ATLAB how it&#8217;s supposed to be shown. I enjoyed it, all the way until the end (sniff) without once thinking, &#8220;Gee, where my peeps at?&#8221;</p>
<p>Dag!</p>
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		<title>By: Zahra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zahra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That thud you heard was my head hitting the keyboard. Just when you think it couldn&#039;t get worse...

Can I just add how much I hate hate hate the casting of PoC as villians in otherwise white worlds? Sci-fi &amp; fantasy is so rife with this--and also more likely than many other genres to create Outright Evil villains and to kill them. (I&#039;m not talking about Avatar the animated series here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That thud you heard was my head hitting the keyboard. Just when you think it couldn&#8217;t get worse&#8230;</p>
<p>Can I just add how much I hate hate hate the casting of PoC as villians in otherwise white worlds? Sci-fi &amp; fantasy is so rife with this&#8211;and also more likely than many other genres to create Outright Evil villains and to kill them. (I&#8217;m not talking about Avatar the animated series here.)</p>
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		<title>By: Westerly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Westerly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QoT wrote:
As a (white) New Zealander, can I also say that no, Hollywood, having a Maori actor doesn’t make you diverse. Not when as soon as you take them out of NZ-made films and television they’re suddenly able to play characters of any race/ethnicity except Maori, and often just have Maori actors stand in as “foreign brown guy.”

As a non-white person living in NZ? Co-sign. And I&#039;m sick to death of seeing Cliff Curtis being the interchangeable and apparently universal &#039;everybrownman&#039;. Because all brown people look the same. *eyeroll*

TheDeviantE wrote:
&quot;One other thing I noticed in the casting of Africans as Earth Nation people: It’s totally a “captain planet” move. It reminds me so much of how Storm (in X-Men) and Kwame (in Captain Planet) are Africans and thus super de-duper in touch with nature. Oh and they’re brown and so is dirt it’s such a good coincidence! OMGEEZ.&quot;

Ugh. But you&#039;re right TheDeviantE. That&#039;s totally what it is - Captain Planet for the 21st century, instead of it&#039;s patronising brand of racist tokenism being left well behind in the 20th century where it belongs. Who on earth wants Avatar to be Captain Planet redux? *shudders*

I know that the creators are American, as are the voice actors (who used to jarr on me from time to time, save for Mako, though it never made any sense for Uncle Iroh to be the *only* one with his accent, while the others including his own relatives had these broad, Anglo-Ammerican accents...) 

But visually, the ethnic and racial make-up of the Avatar world clearly doesn&#039;t mirror North America&#039;s so I don&#039;t see what African Americans are doing in it, even as I appreciate that they get little representation (positive or negative) in Western fantasy. Is it really that hard to get Asian and Inuit leads for this?

And the fact that the leads will remain reliabley white is going to be all the more laughable when there is a riot of convenient ethnic &#039;colour&#039; in the background. If everybody else is not white, then how (and why) the heck are they there? Is Toph (Earthbender) going to be the magical, (yet inexplicably) white girl in a sea of brown fellow Earthbenders? If so, are they going to try and pass her off as an albino?

How the heck is this even going to make any sense whatsoever? I love the illogical lengths people are willing to go to and the knots they are willing to twist their mind into in order to uphold racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QoT wrote:<br />
As a (white) New Zealander, can I also say that no, Hollywood, having a Maori actor doesn’t make you diverse. Not when as soon as you take them out of NZ-made films and television they’re suddenly able to play characters of any race/ethnicity except Maori, and often just have Maori actors stand in as “foreign brown guy.”</p>
<p>As a non-white person living in NZ? Co-sign. And I&#8217;m sick to death of seeing Cliff Curtis being the interchangeable and apparently universal &#8216;everybrownman&#8217;. Because all brown people look the same. *eyeroll*</p>
<p>TheDeviantE wrote:<br />
&#8220;One other thing I noticed in the casting of Africans as Earth Nation people: It’s totally a “captain planet” move. It reminds me so much of how Storm (in X-Men) and Kwame (in Captain Planet) are Africans and thus super de-duper in touch with nature. Oh and they’re brown and so is dirt it’s such a good coincidence! OMGEEZ.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ugh. But you&#8217;re right TheDeviantE. That&#8217;s totally what it is &#8211; Captain Planet for the 21st century, instead of it&#8217;s patronising brand of racist tokenism being left well behind in the 20th century where it belongs. Who on earth wants Avatar to be Captain Planet redux? *shudders*</p>
<p>I know that the creators are American, as are the voice actors (who used to jarr on me from time to time, save for Mako, though it never made any sense for Uncle Iroh to be the *only* one with his accent, while the others including his own relatives had these broad, Anglo-Ammerican accents&#8230;) </p>
<p>But visually, the ethnic and racial make-up of the Avatar world clearly doesn&#8217;t mirror North America&#8217;s so I don&#8217;t see what African Americans are doing in it, even as I appreciate that they get little representation (positive or negative) in Western fantasy. Is it really that hard to get Asian and Inuit leads for this?</p>
<p>And the fact that the leads will remain reliabley white is going to be all the more laughable when there is a riot of convenient ethnic &#8216;colour&#8217; in the background. If everybody else is not white, then how (and why) the heck are they there? Is Toph (Earthbender) going to be the magical, (yet inexplicably) white girl in a sea of brown fellow Earthbenders? If so, are they going to try and pass her off as an albino?</p>
<p>How the heck is this even going to make any sense whatsoever? I love the illogical lengths people are willing to go to and the knots they are willing to twist their mind into in order to uphold racism.</p>
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		<title>By: dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic, but this made me think of something that gave me Hope for the Future that seemed worth sharing... 

Highlights High Five is a magazine for little kids and the characters in the recurring &quot;Tex and Indi&quot; stories recently magically became white with a new illustrator.  My son was very upset by this and I emailed the publishers to express my concern.  They emailed back to apologize and say that they were working with the new illustrator to address the problem, because the characters were supposed to be Hispanic, and that they wanted this to be clear to their readers.  It was a bit more eloquent than that but - no excuses, no ducking the issue.

Okay, Avatar on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, but this made me think of something that gave me Hope for the Future that seemed worth sharing&#8230; </p>
<p>Highlights High Five is a magazine for little kids and the characters in the recurring &#8220;Tex and Indi&#8221; stories recently magically became white with a new illustrator.  My son was very upset by this and I emailed the publishers to express my concern.  They emailed back to apologize and say that they were working with the new illustrator to address the problem, because the characters were supposed to be Hispanic, and that they wanted this to be clear to their readers.  It was a bit more eloquent than that but &#8211; no excuses, no ducking the issue.</p>
<p>Okay, Avatar on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TheDeviantE</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheDeviantE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing I noticed in the casting of Africans as Earth Nation people: It&#039;s totally a &quot;captain planet&quot; move.  It reminds me so much of how Storm (in X-Men) and Kwame (in Captain Planet) are Africans and thus &lt;i&gt;super de-duper&lt;/i&gt; in touch with nature.  Oh and they&#039;re brown and so is dirt it&#039;s such a good coincidence! OMGEEZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing I noticed in the casting of Africans as Earth Nation people: It&#8217;s totally a &#8220;captain planet&#8221; move.  It reminds me so much of how Storm (in X-Men) and Kwame (in Captain Planet) are Africans and thus <i>super de-duper</i> in touch with nature.  Oh and they&#8217;re brown and so is dirt it&#8217;s such a good coincidence! OMGEEZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Audacity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audacity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved Avatar more than I can possibly say. There was never a better show for me to watch with my younger brother, a show that both of us loved and both of us could identify with, that I felt portrayed women as human beings to that young, developing man and that encouraged him to IDENTIFY with women, and that showed us that &quot;bad guys&quot; are not always just &quot;bad&quot; and that all life is worth something.

I will not be seeing this horrible sham of a movie, and neither will anyone else I know. I hope someone gets organized boycotts and protests together!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved Avatar more than I can possibly say. There was never a better show for me to watch with my younger brother, a show that both of us loved and both of us could identify with, that I felt portrayed women as human beings to that young, developing man and that encouraged him to IDENTIFY with women, and that showed us that &#8220;bad guys&#8221; are not always just &#8220;bad&#8221; and that all life is worth something.</p>
<p>I will not be seeing this horrible sham of a movie, and neither will anyone else I know. I hope someone gets organized boycotts and protests together!</p>
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