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		<title>By: nojojojo</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2009/02/20/well-at-least-its-not-racial-sorta/comment-page-/#comment-12580</link>
		<dc:creator>nojojojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Octavian,

I won&#039;t be posting your comment on ABW because it contains sexual objectification and skanky race issues.  Please be sure to read the Required Reading and obey the Rules before posting here again.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Octavian,</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t be posting your comment on ABW because it contains sexual objectification and skanky race issues.  Please be sure to read the Required Reading and obey the Rules before posting here again.</p>
<p>nojojojo</p>
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		<title>By: Ustinov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ustinov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 06:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things are only going to get worse in Italy - fascism is on the rise. As Italy sinks below many other nations in terms of economic and military might, Italians are starting to &quot;revere&quot; Mussolini. The Black-shirts (the italian version of the brown-shirts) are back in fashion - hell, even one of Mussolini&#039;s descendants (a fascist party member and a good friend of the current Prime Minister) is currently in the government. There was a documentary on the BBC - it showed a young man, about maybe 17 years old, dressed all in black, holding a gun and standing to attention at a shrine dedicated to Mussolini. That was a scary image.

If things don&#039;t change soon, Italy could quite quickly become a fascist state again. Remember, in bad economic times, populations often look for &quot;strong&quot; leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things are only going to get worse in Italy &#8211; fascism is on the rise. As Italy sinks below many other nations in terms of economic and military might, Italians are starting to &#8220;revere&#8221; Mussolini. The Black-shirts (the italian version of the brown-shirts) are back in fashion &#8211; hell, even one of Mussolini&#8217;s descendants (a fascist party member and a good friend of the current Prime Minister) is currently in the government. There was a documentary on the BBC &#8211; it showed a young man, about maybe 17 years old, dressed all in black, holding a gun and standing to attention at a shrine dedicated to Mussolini. That was a scary image.</p>
<p>If things don&#8217;t change soon, Italy could quite quickly become a fascist state again. Remember, in bad economic times, populations often look for &#8220;strong&#8221; leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Msday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Msday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m African, and from what I’ve heard from Africans who’ve ever had the misfortune of finding themselves there, Italy is a special kind of scary for Africans and Roma (African-Americans get a pass, as ‘Anna’ points out and your experience illustrates).&quot;

One of the reasons it is a scary place for Africans is due to the increase in illegal immigrants who are pouring into Italy. However, there is also the misfortune of having the African immigrants who arrive and make it bad for other Africans via rampant prostitution, panhandling, and selling knock off products on the beach. In the south, the Africans are now foot soldiers for the Mafia, Yes, the Mafia. It is very similar to the drug trafficking and immigration problems we are having in the states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m African, and from what I’ve heard from Africans who’ve ever had the misfortune of finding themselves there, Italy is a special kind of scary for Africans and Roma (African-Americans get a pass, as ‘Anna’ points out and your experience illustrates).&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the reasons it is a scary place for Africans is due to the increase in illegal immigrants who are pouring into Italy. However, there is also the misfortune of having the African immigrants who arrive and make it bad for other Africans via rampant prostitution, panhandling, and selling knock off products on the beach. In the south, the Africans are now foot soldiers for the Mafia, Yes, the Mafia. It is very similar to the drug trafficking and immigration problems we are having in the states.</p>
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		<title>By: Msday</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2009/02/20/well-at-least-its-not-racial-sorta/comment-page-1/#comment-10048</link>
		<dc:creator>Msday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m a little confused about the Roma/Romanian confusion. Are these two independendtly marginalized ethnic groups with a name that happens to sound similar, or is there really a significant number of involved people who don’t know the difference?&quot;

Emma, Romani&#039;s as they are called here in Italy are what the Italians call people known as Gypsy&#039;s. They refer to them as Romani because many of them are concentrated in Romania. However, the Gypsy&#039;s are in many ways the &quot;blacks&quot; of Europe. They are originally an ethnicity that came to Europe in the thirteenth century on their own and because they were not white, they were enslaved in various parts of Europe. They were often sold in groups and when they finally were set free, they continued this tradition of traveling in large groups. They generally were set free with nothing, NOTHING to help them assimilate into society. So they for centuries have led lives centered around traveling, and criminal activity. Not all are bad, and a lot of hatred against them is racially motivated. 
      The Roma are descendants or citizens of Rome, Italy and Yes, people definitely can tell the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m a little confused about the Roma/Romanian confusion. Are these two independendtly marginalized ethnic groups with a name that happens to sound similar, or is there really a significant number of involved people who don’t know the difference?&#8221;</p>
<p>Emma, Romani&#8217;s as they are called here in Italy are what the Italians call people known as Gypsy&#8217;s. They refer to them as Romani because many of them are concentrated in Romania. However, the Gypsy&#8217;s are in many ways the &#8220;blacks&#8221; of Europe. They are originally an ethnicity that came to Europe in the thirteenth century on their own and because they were not white, they were enslaved in various parts of Europe. They were often sold in groups and when they finally were set free, they continued this tradition of traveling in large groups. They generally were set free with nothing, NOTHING to help them assimilate into society. So they for centuries have led lives centered around traveling, and criminal activity. Not all are bad, and a lot of hatred against them is racially motivated.<br />
      The Roma are descendants or citizens of Rome, Italy and Yes, people definitely can tell the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I think about writing certain ministers in Italy a letter saying that I&#039;d been planning to make it the first place I traveled again when I again traveled outside the United States, since I enjoyed it so much when I was there, but it was neutral linguistic ground for my boyfriend and me.  But that I wouldn&#039;t be going there until their policies towards XYZ peoples changed (and name examples of things I&#039;d be looking to see change).

I dunno--I try to remember to work on fighting domestic hate w/ 90% of my energy for that sort of thing, which is why I was thinking of something so lame as a, &quot;I was going to go to Italy, but now I won&#039;t until you do something!&quot; letter.  Seemed to fit into the 10% I&#039;ve told myself is appropriate to set aside for foreign affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I think about writing certain ministers in Italy a letter saying that I&#8217;d been planning to make it the first place I traveled again when I again traveled outside the United States, since I enjoyed it so much when I was there, but it was neutral linguistic ground for my boyfriend and me.  But that I wouldn&#8217;t be going there until their policies towards XYZ peoples changed (and name examples of things I&#8217;d be looking to see change).</p>
<p>I dunno&#8211;I try to remember to work on fighting domestic hate w/ 90% of my energy for that sort of thing, which is why I was thinking of something so lame as a, &#8220;I was going to go to Italy, but now I won&#8217;t until you do something!&#8221; letter.  Seemed to fit into the 10% I&#8217;ve told myself is appropriate to set aside for foreign affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Rosenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Rosenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kind of sickly fascinating how racism is different yet interconnected in different national contexts. On the one hand, Anna&#039;s observation that &quot;in Italy all Americans are white regardless of skin color&quot; -- which shows that racism is more about power than consistency. On the other hand, Italy&#039;s own internal racism is connected to the broader kind, as evinced by that popular poster (you could buy it in the stalls of the market in Florence 15 years ago) with a map of Italy labelled &quot;Northern Italy&quot; from the Swiss border through Bologna, &quot;Southern Italy&quot; from Bologna through Rome, and &quot;Africa&quot; South of Rome.

The Southern Italians stand accused, essentially, of being _too African_.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of sickly fascinating how racism is different yet interconnected in different national contexts. On the one hand, Anna&#8217;s observation that &#8220;in Italy all Americans are white regardless of skin color&#8221; &#8212; which shows that racism is more about power than consistency. On the other hand, Italy&#8217;s own internal racism is connected to the broader kind, as evinced by that popular poster (you could buy it in the stalls of the market in Florence 15 years ago) with a map of Italy labelled &#8220;Northern Italy&#8221; from the Swiss border through Bologna, &#8220;Southern Italy&#8221; from Bologna through Rome, and &#8220;Africa&#8221; South of Rome.</p>
<p>The Southern Italians stand accused, essentially, of being _too African_.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anna, did Italy&#039;s legal system ever get around to declaring it sexual harassment when a manager smacks his secretary&#039;s butt? Cause that would go a long way towards helping me think they&#039;re sincerely concerned about the sexual safety of women.

http://digilander.libero.it/felixpetrelli/italian_stories.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anna, did Italy&#8217;s legal system ever get around to declaring it sexual harassment when a manager smacks his secretary&#8217;s butt? Cause that would go a long way towards helping me think they&#8217;re sincerely concerned about the sexual safety of women.</p>
<p><a href="http://digilander.libero.it/felixpetrelli/italian_stories.htm" rel="nofollow">http://digilander.libero.it/felixpetrelli/italian_stories.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little confused about the Roma/Romanian confusion.  Are these two independendtly marginalized ethnic groups with a name that happens to sound similar, or is there really a significant number of involved people who don&#039;t know the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little confused about the Roma/Romanian confusion.  Are these two independendtly marginalized ethnic groups with a name that happens to sound similar, or is there really a significant number of involved people who don&#8217;t know the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: AsaDoesntCareAboutYou</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsaDoesntCareAboutYou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like good ole fashioned fascism to me ( mixed in with the right amount of racism and xenophobia).
The citizen patrols are even scarier. Now you can be put away because your neighbor things your raping someone, and don&#039;t depend on a reasonable trial.  Ekkk!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like good ole fashioned fascism to me ( mixed in with the right amount of racism and xenophobia).<br />
The citizen patrols are even scarier. Now you can be put away because your neighbor things your raping someone, and don&#8217;t depend on a reasonable trial.  Ekkk!!</p>
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		<title>By: mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so i have been dreaming about blogs.   the first dream was about a blog called: raven’s eye

and as i have been thinking deeply over the past few days about these dreams and visions, i felt compelled to say this:

we, as women of color, have been organizing ourselves for years on the internet.  we have started blogs, and e-zines, social networking spaces, list serves, conferences, conversations, groups, websites, cd’s and more.  we are incredibly prolific, visionary, each of us coming to this space with individual and collective visions of self-expression, survival, sexuality, business, teaching, learning, community, organizing, solidarity,art, dreams, healing, and love.

in my visions i kept seeing a women and transfolk of color blog.  one that was updated daily with our news, analysis, announcements, personal reflections, conversations, and more.  a location on the net where we, from our different perspectives and lives, are able to give voice to us.  where we agree and disagree, and stay in conversation.

i see this blog as a part of the ongoing organizing and expression that we do both on- and off-line so well in the midst of our crazy, blessed lives.

and so i am sending this out into the ether asking what you think.

are there others who are interested in building such a space for women and transfolk of color?

i can offer a chance to see if this experiment could work.  i have some free time to dedicate to the building of this site.  a certain amount of knowledge of software and a willingness to learn more.  a connection to some communities of color.  and a desire to build with you.

please distribute this where you think appropriate.

and if you are interested please leave a comment at guerrillamamamedicine.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so i have been dreaming about blogs.   the first dream was about a blog called: raven’s eye</p>
<p>and as i have been thinking deeply over the past few days about these dreams and visions, i felt compelled to say this:</p>
<p>we, as women of color, have been organizing ourselves for years on the internet.  we have started blogs, and e-zines, social networking spaces, list serves, conferences, conversations, groups, websites, cd’s and more.  we are incredibly prolific, visionary, each of us coming to this space with individual and collective visions of self-expression, survival, sexuality, business, teaching, learning, community, organizing, solidarity,art, dreams, healing, and love.</p>
<p>in my visions i kept seeing a women and transfolk of color blog.  one that was updated daily with our news, analysis, announcements, personal reflections, conversations, and more.  a location on the net where we, from our different perspectives and lives, are able to give voice to us.  where we agree and disagree, and stay in conversation.</p>
<p>i see this blog as a part of the ongoing organizing and expression that we do both on- and off-line so well in the midst of our crazy, blessed lives.</p>
<p>and so i am sending this out into the ether asking what you think.</p>
<p>are there others who are interested in building such a space for women and transfolk of color?</p>
<p>i can offer a chance to see if this experiment could work.  i have some free time to dedicate to the building of this site.  a certain amount of knowledge of software and a willingness to learn more.  a connection to some communities of color.  and a desire to build with you.</p>
<p>please distribute this where you think appropriate.</p>
<p>and if you are interested please leave a comment at guerrillamamamedicine.wordpress.com</p>
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