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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, it seems like you missed the part where I said, &quot;To me, this lawsuit is more of a reinforcement of who exactly it is that she offended and the negative consequences of racism, regardless of intent.&quot; That is the basis of the lawsuit. That is the basis of almost any class action lawsuit -- it&#039;s not about the money; it&#039;s about the change and redress. Whether it stands up in court is not necessarily the point. The point is that Cyrus&#039;s actions hurt people, and since people are concerned about their money mostly in this country, the most effective way is to attempt to go after the pocketbook. While I&#039;m not sure that this is the best way to achieve redress, I don&#039;t think Ms. Kim deserves the criticism she is getting. There is a logic behind the lawsuit, and people are purposefully missing the point. Also, I read most of the comments on TMZ and another celebrity gossip site, and between those two I never once saw anything about the plaintiff being &quot;un-American&quot; or &quot;an attention whore.&quot; I saw comments defending Cyrus&#039;s picture is not racist and one or two that used racial stereotypes against Ms. Kim. So I am still unclear on who you&#039;re quoting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, it seems like you missed the part where I said, &#8220;To me, this lawsuit is more of a reinforcement of who exactly it is that she offended and the negative consequences of racism, regardless of intent.&#8221; That is the basis of the lawsuit. That is the basis of almost any class action lawsuit &#8212; it&#8217;s not about the money; it&#8217;s about the change and redress. Whether it stands up in court is not necessarily the point. The point is that Cyrus&#8217;s actions hurt people, and since people are concerned about their money mostly in this country, the most effective way is to attempt to go after the pocketbook. While I&#8217;m not sure that this is the best way to achieve redress, I don&#8217;t think Ms. Kim deserves the criticism she is getting. There is a logic behind the lawsuit, and people are purposefully missing the point. Also, I read most of the comments on TMZ and another celebrity gossip site, and between those two I never once saw anything about the plaintiff being &#8220;un-American&#8221; or &#8220;an attention whore.&#8221; I saw comments defending Cyrus&#8217;s picture is not racist and one or two that used racial stereotypes against Ms. Kim. So I am still unclear on who you&#8217;re quoting.</p>
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		<title>By: spanghew</title>
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		<dc:creator>spanghew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A: &quot;Actually, first amendment dictates that the GOVERNMENT/CONGRESS cannot shut you up. Individuals, however, can feel free to sue.&quot; Uh, yeah...but once there&#039;s a lawsuit, the legal system is a component of government. So sure, go ahead and sue to limit someone&#039;s speech rights...but if the court decides in your favor, that would assuredly be &quot;government shutting you up.&quot;

The legal system doesn&#039;t seem to be the right venue for this, because however idiotic Cyrus&#039;s actions, they are clearly &quot;speech&quot; and are therefore protected...from *government* (i.e., legal) restriction.

Disney should, though, have let her go, or at least better managed her &quot;apology.&quot; And she&#039;s got a Hannah Montana movie coming out...I wonder what a group of protesters at theaters would do to its grosses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A: &#8220;Actually, first amendment dictates that the GOVERNMENT/CONGRESS cannot shut you up. Individuals, however, can feel free to sue.&#8221; Uh, yeah&#8230;but once there&#8217;s a lawsuit, the legal system is a component of government. So sure, go ahead and sue to limit someone&#8217;s speech rights&#8230;but if the court decides in your favor, that would assuredly be &#8220;government shutting you up.&#8221;</p>
<p>The legal system doesn&#8217;t seem to be the right venue for this, because however idiotic Cyrus&#8217;s actions, they are clearly &#8220;speech&#8221; and are therefore protected&#8230;from *government* (i.e., legal) restriction.</p>
<p>Disney should, though, have let her go, or at least better managed her &#8220;apology.&#8221; And she&#8217;s got a Hannah Montana movie coming out&#8230;I wonder what a group of protesters at theaters would do to its grosses.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad - I understand what a class action lawsuit is, but do you understand what a civil rights violation is? Clearly neither does Ms. Kim. Hint: It involves denying somebody&#039;s rights. I agree with your points about the PC police, etc. but Ms. Kim did nothing to advance the cause, in fact she sabotaged it. If you want to see where I got the average Joe attitude then take a look at the comments below the articles at TMZ and all the other sites and blogs that discuss the lawsuit.

Cathy - Brad did not clarify the basis for the lawsuit, which is completely frivolous. This is not an issue for the courts to settle and Ms. Kim&#039;s filing is an abuse of the legal system. She should know that especially since she is a legal secretary and her attorney is her boss. You do realize that with herself as lead plaintiff and her boss as class attorney they stand to receive the lion&#039;s share of whatever proceeds might result from this frivolous case, which is nearly certain to be nothing? Why couldn&#039;t she find someone less conflicted to file the lawsuit? Answer: because then she wouldn&#039;t be entitled to lead plaintiff fees and expenses. The only &quot;group&quot; she is representing is herself and her law firm and the only thing Asians as a group might get out of this is a backlash. Regarding my first amendment quip, you apparently have bad radar for sarcasm. As to &quot;hiding behind their First Amendment rights because they believe it gives them the right to say and do whatever the fuck they want&quot;, are you suggesting we change or reinterpret the U.S. constitution to make &quot;hate speech&quot; illegal (as it is in most countries)?

A - Another malfunctioning sarcasm radar I see. My subtle point was precisely that Ms. Kim is as likely to prevail over Ms. Cyrus on civil rights as Ms. Cyrus would prevail in a first amendment lawsuit against Ms. Kim. In any case, individuals can&#039;t just make up shit and sue without consequences -- they can file whatever they want but they do so at risk of being fined, sanctioned and required to pay the defendant&#039;s legal costs. The only precedent this is likely to set is that legal secretaries represented by their own bosses should be more careful with the lawsuits they file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad &#8211; I understand what a class action lawsuit is, but do you understand what a civil rights violation is? Clearly neither does Ms. Kim. Hint: It involves denying somebody&#8217;s rights. I agree with your points about the PC police, etc. but Ms. Kim did nothing to advance the cause, in fact she sabotaged it. If you want to see where I got the average Joe attitude then take a look at the comments below the articles at TMZ and all the other sites and blogs that discuss the lawsuit.</p>
<p>Cathy &#8211; Brad did not clarify the basis for the lawsuit, which is completely frivolous. This is not an issue for the courts to settle and Ms. Kim&#8217;s filing is an abuse of the legal system. She should know that especially since she is a legal secretary and her attorney is her boss. You do realize that with herself as lead plaintiff and her boss as class attorney they stand to receive the lion&#8217;s share of whatever proceeds might result from this frivolous case, which is nearly certain to be nothing? Why couldn&#8217;t she find someone less conflicted to file the lawsuit? Answer: because then she wouldn&#8217;t be entitled to lead plaintiff fees and expenses. The only &#8220;group&#8221; she is representing is herself and her law firm and the only thing Asians as a group might get out of this is a backlash. Regarding my first amendment quip, you apparently have bad radar for sarcasm. As to &#8220;hiding behind their First Amendment rights because they believe it gives them the right to say and do whatever the fuck they want&#8221;, are you suggesting we change or reinterpret the U.S. constitution to make &#8220;hate speech&#8221; illegal (as it is in most countries)?</p>
<p>A &#8211; Another malfunctioning sarcasm radar I see. My subtle point was precisely that Ms. Kim is as likely to prevail over Ms. Cyrus on civil rights as Ms. Cyrus would prevail in a first amendment lawsuit against Ms. Kim. In any case, individuals can&#8217;t just make up shit and sue without consequences &#8212; they can file whatever they want but they do so at risk of being fined, sanctioned and required to pay the defendant&#8217;s legal costs. The only precedent this is likely to set is that legal secretaries represented by their own bosses should be more careful with the lawsuits they file.</p>
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		<title>By: A.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,
Actually, first amendment dictates that the GOVERNMENT/CONGRESS cannot shut you up. Individuals, however, can feel free to sue. Doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that they&#039;ll win (and I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s likely that this will happen), but I do think that it sets an important precedent that Miley will have to be responsible for her actions - and if she can&#039;t be responsible for her actions, she needs to make sure not to leak it to the public.

The apology will likely go from, &quot;I&#039;m sorry you were offended,&quot; to &quot;I&#039;m sorry&quot; because she&#039;s under threat of losing money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
Actually, first amendment dictates that the GOVERNMENT/CONGRESS cannot shut you up. Individuals, however, can feel free to sue. Doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that they&#8217;ll win (and I don&#8217;t think that it&#8217;s likely that this will happen), but I do think that it sets an important precedent that Miley will have to be responsible for her actions &#8211; and if she can&#8217;t be responsible for her actions, she needs to make sure not to leak it to the public.</p>
<p>The apology will likely go from, &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry you were offended,&#8221; to &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry&#8221; because she&#8217;s under threat of losing money.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

While I think Brad did an excellent job of clarifying why there is a basis for this lawsuit and what it represents and could represent for the offended Asians who aren&#039;t having their voice heard, I can&#039;t help but comment on the fact that you believe this lawsuit infringes upon Miley Cyrus&#039;s First Amendment rights. How does the First Amendment give Miley the right to be allowed to take photos that are clearly offensive to a group and continues to perpetuate stereotypes for a race that is already misrepresented and underrepresented in this country?  And yet, when said group decides to voice that they are offended and demand fair action against Miley, their First Amendment rights seem to be non-existent. Please help me, I&#039;m failing to see how this works.

The First Amendment was not meant to be taken literally. Period. People need to stop saying and doing dumb, hurtful shit and then hiding behind their First Amendment rights because they believe it gives them the right to say and do whatever the fuck they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>While I think Brad did an excellent job of clarifying why there is a basis for this lawsuit and what it represents and could represent for the offended Asians who aren&#8217;t having their voice heard, I can&#8217;t help but comment on the fact that you believe this lawsuit infringes upon Miley Cyrus&#8217;s First Amendment rights. How does the First Amendment give Miley the right to be allowed to take photos that are clearly offensive to a group and continues to perpetuate stereotypes for a race that is already misrepresented and underrepresented in this country?  And yet, when said group decides to voice that they are offended and demand fair action against Miley, their First Amendment rights seem to be non-existent. Please help me, I&#8217;m failing to see how this works.</p>
<p>The First Amendment was not meant to be taken literally. Period. People need to stop saying and doing dumb, hurtful shit and then hiding behind their First Amendment rights because they believe it gives them the right to say and do whatever the fuck they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, do you understand what a class action lawsuit is? The reason for the filing of a lawsuit of that much money is that it is on the behalf of the one million Asians who live in LA county, and she is asking that each one be rewarded the minimum damages for a civil rights violation -- $4,000 per person.

It&#039;s clear from both of Miley Cyrus&#039;s apologies that she still didn&#039;t quite understand what she did. She&#039;s sorry if anyone was offended, which isn&#039;t being sorry for her own actions exactly. To me, this lawsuit is more of a reinforcement of who exactly it is that she offended and the negative consequences of racism, regardless of intent. Plus, it is possible that the details of this lawsuit were in the works prior to the apologies, and that this lawsuit may be rescinded soon.

Also, you&#039;re average Jane and Joe, whose words you are &quot;quoting,&quot; are most likely looking at the fact that this is a lawsuit and the amount being asked for. (And how are those not your words exactly since you didn&#039;t give a quote or paraphrase let alone a link?) They&#039;re ignoring the fact that it&#039;s a class action lawsuit for one thing, which is a much different situation than a civil lawsuit, and that it may just be a symbolic act rather than a greedy Asian seeking to line her pockets. They would rather believe that Miley Cyrus did nothing wrong and all the evil PC police are after her over a simple &quot;goofy face&quot; because we are a postracist society and she&#039;s free to do whatever she wants with her face. The plaintiff should not be blamed for these people&#039;s misconceptions of her intent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, do you understand what a class action lawsuit is? The reason for the filing of a lawsuit of that much money is that it is on the behalf of the one million Asians who live in LA county, and she is asking that each one be rewarded the minimum damages for a civil rights violation &#8212; $4,000 per person.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear from both of Miley Cyrus&#8217;s apologies that she still didn&#8217;t quite understand what she did. She&#8217;s sorry if anyone was offended, which isn&#8217;t being sorry for her own actions exactly. To me, this lawsuit is more of a reinforcement of who exactly it is that she offended and the negative consequences of racism, regardless of intent. Plus, it is possible that the details of this lawsuit were in the works prior to the apologies, and that this lawsuit may be rescinded soon.</p>
<p>Also, you&#8217;re average Jane and Joe, whose words you are &#8220;quoting,&#8221; are most likely looking at the fact that this is a lawsuit and the amount being asked for. (And how are those not your words exactly since you didn&#8217;t give a quote or paraphrase let alone a link?) They&#8217;re ignoring the fact that it&#8217;s a class action lawsuit for one thing, which is a much different situation than a civil lawsuit, and that it may just be a symbolic act rather than a greedy Asian seeking to line her pockets. They would rather believe that Miley Cyrus did nothing wrong and all the evil PC police are after her over a simple &#8220;goofy face&#8221; because we are a postracist society and she&#8217;s free to do whatever she wants with her face. The plaintiff should not be blamed for these people&#8217;s misconceptions of her intent.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cathy, There is no basis for such a lawsuit, it is frivolous and totally ridiculous. Actually, filing such a lawsuit could be a violation of the civil rights of Miley Cyrus (first amendment). At a minimum, it represents a severe blow for the credibility of a cause that seeks to increase understanding between ethnic groups as now the focus will be on an &quot;un-American&quot;  attention whore (ie. the plaintiff -- and these are not my words but rather those of the average Jane and Joe).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cathy, There is no basis for such a lawsuit, it is frivolous and totally ridiculous. Actually, filing such a lawsuit could be a violation of the civil rights of Miley Cyrus (first amendment). At a minimum, it represents a severe blow for the credibility of a cause that seeks to increase understanding between ethnic groups as now the focus will be on an &#8220;un-American&#8221;  attention whore (ie. the plaintiff &#8212; and these are not my words but rather those of the average Jane and Joe).</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there&#039;s a lawsuit against her, which makes me happy. I don&#039;t think the woman suing will be awarded the 4 billion she&#039;s seeking, mostly because the majority of people don&#039;t really seem to understand what was wrong about her actions but maybe I hold off on that prediction- I was also the main person thinking that Obama wouldn&#039;t win the election because people wouldn&#039;t be able to see past his race. Still, I&#039;m at the very least glad that Miley has some very real charges against her and is being taken to court and made to explain herself like she should do. It should be common sense, but maybe a lawsuit will make her consider her actions more.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491304,00.html

I&#039;m sorry that this is coming from Fox News lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there&#8217;s a lawsuit against her, which makes me happy. I don&#8217;t think the woman suing will be awarded the 4 billion she&#8217;s seeking, mostly because the majority of people don&#8217;t really seem to understand what was wrong about her actions but maybe I hold off on that prediction- I was also the main person thinking that Obama wouldn&#8217;t win the election because people wouldn&#8217;t be able to see past his race. Still, I&#8217;m at the very least glad that Miley has some very real charges against her and is being taken to court and made to explain herself like she should do. It should be common sense, but maybe a lawsuit will make her consider her actions more.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491304,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491304,00.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that this is coming from Fox News lol</p>
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		<title>By: Witchsistah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Witchsistah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D,

Thank you!  I&#039;m sooooo sick when White folk grab one PoC whose mind is colonised or has internalized racism out the yang (because I believe that ALL PoC in colonized areas suffer from that to an extent) and wants to gain Most Favored Darkie status to bolster their rights to be racist asshats.

&quot;So-and-so doesn&#039;t mind if i make the &#039;chinky&#039; eyes/call her &#039;bitch&#039;/call him &#039;nigger&#039;/tell &#039;Jew&#039; jokes/use the word &#039;spic&#039; around him so YOU shouldn&#039;t be offended either!

I remind those folks that there were Black people back in the day that didn&#039;t mind slavery and were traumatized when it ended.  Does that mean I should be chopping cotton now for free?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D,</p>
<p>Thank you!  I&#8217;m sooooo sick when White folk grab one PoC whose mind is colonised or has internalized racism out the yang (because I believe that ALL PoC in colonized areas suffer from that to an extent) and wants to gain Most Favored Darkie status to bolster their rights to be racist asshats.</p>
<p>&#8220;So-and-so doesn&#8217;t mind if i make the &#8216;chinky&#8217; eyes/call her &#8216;bitch&#8217;/call him &#8216;nigger&#8217;/tell &#8216;Jew&#8217; jokes/use the word &#8216;spic&#8217; around him so YOU shouldn&#8217;t be offended either!</p>
<p>I remind those folks that there were Black people back in the day that didn&#8217;t mind slavery and were traumatized when it ended.  Does that mean I should be chopping cotton now for free?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Westerly,

I would say education is precisely what is needed here. OF COURSE you can still get to the age of 16 today and behave this way. Many kids do (and worse). Unfortunately, the populist idea that people are becoming increasingly PC in this day and age is a major barrier to understanding the hurtful impact of various &quot;-isms&quot;. To overcome this, most offenders need to be told why they are wrong and this should be done in very specific ways. If Ms. Cyrus received a few hundred letters from her fans letting her know how they have been hurt by such gestures in their personal lives, she would likely be very ashamed. If her fans rag on her hard enough, she might even take a future active role in helping stop the perpetuation of stereotypes in the media (or at least the projects in which she is involved).

Is it the responsibility of the oppressed to educate the oppressor? No, but when the oppression is subtle, it sure helps to scream and shout if you wish to be heard.

The most disgusting thing isn&#039;t that a 16 year-old girl doesn&#039;t get why this is a big deal, it is the deafening silence coming from Disney. Kellogg&#039;s immediately yanked the rug from under Phelps for his reefer pic while the corporation a mouse built doesn&#039;t seem to care a whiff about basic human dignity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Westerly,</p>
<p>I would say education is precisely what is needed here. OF COURSE you can still get to the age of 16 today and behave this way. Many kids do (and worse). Unfortunately, the populist idea that people are becoming increasingly PC in this day and age is a major barrier to understanding the hurtful impact of various &#8220;-isms&#8221;. To overcome this, most offenders need to be told why they are wrong and this should be done in very specific ways. If Ms. Cyrus received a few hundred letters from her fans letting her know how they have been hurt by such gestures in their personal lives, she would likely be very ashamed. If her fans rag on her hard enough, she might even take a future active role in helping stop the perpetuation of stereotypes in the media (or at least the projects in which she is involved).</p>
<p>Is it the responsibility of the oppressed to educate the oppressor? No, but when the oppression is subtle, it sure helps to scream and shout if you wish to be heard.</p>
<p>The most disgusting thing isn&#8217;t that a 16 year-old girl doesn&#8217;t get why this is a big deal, it is the deafening silence coming from Disney. Kellogg&#8217;s immediately yanked the rug from under Phelps for his reefer pic while the corporation a mouse built doesn&#8217;t seem to care a whiff about basic human dignity.</p>
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