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	<title>Comments on: The state of PoC on TV:  better or worse?</title>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/08/20/the-state-of-poc-on-tv-better-or-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-8060</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s getting to a point where TPTB are so scared of how to &quot;treat&quot; a minority character on a show that many of them just would rather not be bothered. I mean, if a character is identical to the other Caucasian characters (but simply happens to be a minority), then you&#039;ve got those of us who will say that said character is too &quot;whitewashed.&quot; (that&#039;s actually a common complaint from the Asian community of Lindsay Price&#039;s character from &quot;Lipstick Jungle&quot;). And if they go in the other direction, then they are accused of perpetuating stereotypes. Someone is going to complain either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s getting to a point where TPTB are so scared of how to &#8220;treat&#8221; a minority character on a show that many of them just would rather not be bothered. I mean, if a character is identical to the other Caucasian characters (but simply happens to be a minority), then you&#8217;ve got those of us who will say that said character is too &#8220;whitewashed.&#8221; (that&#8217;s actually a common complaint from the Asian community of Lindsay Price&#8217;s character from &#8220;Lipstick Jungle&#8221;). And if they go in the other direction, then they are accused of perpetuating stereotypes. Someone is going to complain either way.</p>
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		<title>By: metahara</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/08/20/the-state-of-poc-on-tv-better-or-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-8061</link>
		<dc:creator>metahara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s painting not paining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s painting not paining.</p>
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		<title>By: metahara</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/08/20/the-state-of-poc-on-tv-better-or-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-8062</link>
		<dc:creator>metahara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son got a call from the production desinger to do some &quot;graffitti style&quot; paining....He spoke of the new network as BET but better for famileis...sounded good till, &quot;...Master P...&quot;
yeah, well
we&#039;ll see
Whoopi and Will Smith are also on the board or supporting in some way- so
again,
We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son got a call from the production desinger to do some &#8220;graffitti style&#8221; paining&#8230;.He spoke of the new network as BET but better for famileis&#8230;sounded good till, &#8220;&#8230;Master P&#8230;&#8221;<br />
yeah, well<br />
we&#8217;ll see<br />
Whoopi and Will Smith are also on the board or supporting in some way- so<br />
again,<br />
We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: affrodite</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/08/20/the-state-of-poc-on-tv-better-or-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-8063</link>
		<dc:creator>affrodite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let him have at it.  who knows, he might work it out better than the other networks catering to us folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let him have at it.  who knows, he might work it out better than the other networks catering to us folk.</p>
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		<title>By: fff &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for your reading pleasure</title>
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		<dc:creator>fff &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for your reading pleasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nojojojo at the Angry Black Woman on POC on TV. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kakodaimon</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/08/20/the-state-of-poc-on-tv-better-or-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-8053</link>
		<dc:creator>kakodaimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What was the show with Michael J. Fox, where he had a colleague and friend who was black and gay, but neither defined that character? I want more of that. &lt;/i&gt;

Dianne, that show was Spin City! I remember an episode where the mildly homophobic character (whoever it was with a brush cut) kissed the gay one in a dark room, and the episode was about him admitting he enjoyed it. At the end of the ep he does, and gets the gay dude to kiss a woman through trickery. Oh pomosexuality, will you ever come back to TV?

The fact that children&#039;s programming does a way better job is in some ways great, and reflects to some extent the handling of gender roles too (in kids&#039; shows, girls can do anything, and do - in adult programming, often not so much). I wonder if this means that we&#039;re expected to have one relationship with other races/genders as children, and a different one as we grow up. I&#039;m sure a lot of it is down to different corporations owning these different audience blocks, but the message is still there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What was the show with Michael J. Fox, where he had a colleague and friend who was black and gay, but neither defined that character? I want more of that. </i></p>
<p>Dianne, that show was Spin City! I remember an episode where the mildly homophobic character (whoever it was with a brush cut) kissed the gay one in a dark room, and the episode was about him admitting he enjoyed it. At the end of the ep he does, and gets the gay dude to kiss a woman through trickery. Oh pomosexuality, will you ever come back to TV?</p>
<p>The fact that children&#8217;s programming does a way better job is in some ways great, and reflects to some extent the handling of gender roles too (in kids&#8217; shows, girls can do anything, and do &#8211; in adult programming, often not so much). I wonder if this means that we&#8217;re expected to have one relationship with other races/genders as children, and a different one as we grow up. I&#8217;m sure a lot of it is down to different corporations owning these different audience blocks, but the message is still there.</p>
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		<title>By: Incertus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Incertus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How in the HELL did that show never win an Emmy? Although it had a bit of an issue with under-representing women (and featured a couple of problematic Black mother roles), overall it featured the most diverse, complex, talented, primarily Black cast ever on television. Not only did it have an ass-kicking gay Black man antihero AND a lesbian mommy cop named Shakima, but it was probably the best scripted TV show I’ve ever seen.&lt;/i&gt;

I think you answered your own question. In my opinion, The Wire is the best thing television has ever done, no question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How in the HELL did that show never win an Emmy? Although it had a bit of an issue with under-representing women (and featured a couple of problematic Black mother roles), overall it featured the most diverse, complex, talented, primarily Black cast ever on television. Not only did it have an ass-kicking gay Black man antihero AND a lesbian mommy cop named Shakima, but it was probably the best scripted TV show I’ve ever seen.</i></p>
<p>I think you answered your own question. In my opinion, The Wire is the best thing television has ever done, no question.</p>
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		<title>By: Ico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really want to say it&#039;s gotten better, but that&#039;s probably wishful thinking...  *sigh*

Granted I wasn&#039;t around in the 70&#039;s.  But I did recently rewatch Columbo (isn&#039;t that a 70&#039;s show?), and I&#039;m sure I haven&#039;t seen anything as racially offensive these days as some of the stuff I did there.  Like white people in black wigs talking in faux-Asian accents and acting the part of Asians.  It was unwatchable.  And whenever a black character did appear, um... wow.

So I don&#039;t think things as overtly racist as that appear on networks these days.  Which is an improvement.  But the dearth of roles for POC today is really problematic.

And come to think of it, even though you don&#039;t have the sort of yellow-face today like in those Columbo eps., things like Tropic Thunder are similar.  It&#039;s excused by the mainstream because it&#039;s supposedly &quot;satire&quot;  ... :/  So maybe we haven&#039;t made much progress.  We just disguise it differently.

There does seem to be some diversity in crime drama types of series.  And Ugly Betty seems to have done well (though I had real issues with the show&#039;s depictions of heavy black women).  I don&#039;t know.  Two steps forward, one step back?  Maybe something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to say it&#8217;s gotten better, but that&#8217;s probably wishful thinking&#8230;  *sigh*</p>
<p>Granted I wasn&#8217;t around in the 70&#8217;s.  But I did recently rewatch Columbo (isn&#8217;t that a 70&#8217;s show?), and I&#8217;m sure I haven&#8217;t seen anything as racially offensive these days as some of the stuff I did there.  Like white people in black wigs talking in faux-Asian accents and acting the part of Asians.  It was unwatchable.  And whenever a black character did appear, um&#8230; wow.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think things as overtly racist as that appear on networks these days.  Which is an improvement.  But the dearth of roles for POC today is really problematic.</p>
<p>And come to think of it, even though you don&#8217;t have the sort of yellow-face today like in those Columbo eps., things like Tropic Thunder are similar.  It&#8217;s excused by the mainstream because it&#8217;s supposedly &#8220;satire&#8221;  &#8230; :/  So maybe we haven&#8217;t made much progress.  We just disguise it differently.</p>
<p>There does seem to be some diversity in crime drama types of series.  And Ugly Betty seems to have done well (though I had real issues with the show&#8217;s depictions of heavy black women).  I don&#8217;t know.  Two steps forward, one step back?  Maybe something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Saladin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: race &amp; the Emmys: I just got done watching &quot;The Wire.&quot; How in the HELL did that show never win an Emmy?  Although it had a bit of an issue with under-representing women (and featured a couple of problematic Black mother roles), overall it featured the most diverse, complex, talented, primarily Black cast ever on television.  Not only did it have an ass-kicking gay Black man antihero AND a lesbian mommy cop named Shakima, but it was probably the best scripted TV show I&#039;ve ever seen.  If that shit had been full of white people it would have won a bazillion awards, even if it was a cable show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: race &amp; the Emmys: I just got done watching &#8220;The Wire.&#8221; How in the HELL did that show never win an Emmy?  Although it had a bit of an issue with under-representing women (and featured a couple of problematic Black mother roles), overall it featured the most diverse, complex, talented, primarily Black cast ever on television.  Not only did it have an ass-kicking gay Black man antihero AND a lesbian mommy cop named Shakima, but it was probably the best scripted TV show I&#8217;ve ever seen.  If that shit had been full of white people it would have won a bazillion awards, even if it was a cable show.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m still too vexed about BBTV thing to feel afraid or anything else at the moment.

U.S.-wise, I think, and feel, there are SLIGHTLY more PoC in television mainly due to the increase in number of shows and channels available. However, it does not seem that status/roles and stories/character fates they&#039;re given has changed much in the slightest to me.

Anything beyond and/or better than what we&#039;re usual given is few and far between in and of themselves. Not often long lasting and seem as sudden blips on the radar compared to the mass of other shows where our places in them are rather typical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m still too vexed about BBTV thing to feel afraid or anything else at the moment.</p>
<p>U.S.-wise, I think, and feel, there are SLIGHTLY more PoC in television mainly due to the increase in number of shows and channels available. However, it does not seem that status/roles and stories/character fates they&#8217;re given has changed much in the slightest to me.</p>
<p>Anything beyond and/or better than what we&#8217;re usual given is few and far between in and of themselves. Not often long lasting and seem as sudden blips on the radar compared to the mass of other shows where our places in them are rather typical.</p>
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