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		<title>By: StealthBadger</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/05/28/what-rachel-moss-did/comment-page-2/#comment-7441</link>
		<dc:creator>StealthBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claire:  Your idea on outing as a tactic is not going to do much.  Anons are outed *all the time,* especially in Internet Fites like this, and trying to go after &quot;the ringleaders&quot; would literally be like playing the largest game of whack-a-mole ever.

It won&#039;t scare them; the equivalent reaction might be &quot;heads up, we&#039;ve got a live one!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire:  Your idea on outing as a tactic is not going to do much.  Anons are outed *all the time,* especially in Internet Fites like this, and trying to go after &#8220;the ringleaders&#8221; would literally be like playing the largest game of whack-a-mole ever.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t scare them; the equivalent reaction might be &#8220;heads up, we&#8217;ve got a live one!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: StealthBadger</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/05/28/what-rachel-moss-did/comment-page-2/#comment-7440</link>
		<dc:creator>StealthBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She was doomed from the moment she posted.  SA/channers love to make fun of ANYTHING, most often in outrageous, horribly offensive, and shocking ways - but that&#039;s just marking time for when they get to REALLY let go on a deserving target.  A few examples would be pedophiles, white supremacists, and self-hating people generating drama who try to turn the forums into a personal army for said individual.

Not excusing; just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She was doomed from the moment she posted.  SA/channers love to make fun of ANYTHING, most often in outrageous, horribly offensive, and shocking ways &#8211; but that&#8217;s just marking time for when they get to REALLY let go on a deserving target.  A few examples would be pedophiles, white supremacists, and self-hating people generating drama who try to turn the forums into a personal army for said individual.</p>
<p>Not excusing; just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sin Verguenza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sin Verguenza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Cleon&#039;s avatar

totally off topic but...

you=beautiful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Cleon&#8217;s avatar</p>
<p>totally off topic but&#8230;</p>
<p>you=beautiful</p>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-06-03</title>
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		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-06-03</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Xavier</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/05/28/what-rachel-moss-did/comment-page-2/#comment-7435</link>
		<dc:creator>Xavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claire,

I am offended by threats of outing. Post my IP, it won&#039;t help you bring me under control. It won&#039;t even anger me because it won&#039;t work. The same goes for most anons.

If you think anonymous can be stopped by outing the ringleaders ask yourself this: Why haven&#039;t the scientologists, who have millions of dollars, excellent lawyers and an army of fanatics at their disposal, done this?

Quietus is right. You can&#039;t fight the anonymous hydra. The best way to assure that Wiscon is forgotten by the internet goons like so many other internet fads have been is to ignore them. Because they&#039;re either kids or arrested development cases their attention span is limited.

However, if someone who identifies themselves with Wiscon outs even one of their less anon friends and causes them trouble in meatspace it will keep their attention for as long as the &#039;battle&#039; rages and the convention will reap the whirlwind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire,</p>
<p>I am offended by threats of outing. Post my IP, it won&#8217;t help you bring me under control. It won&#8217;t even anger me because it won&#8217;t work. The same goes for most anons.</p>
<p>If you think anonymous can be stopped by outing the ringleaders ask yourself this: Why haven&#8217;t the scientologists, who have millions of dollars, excellent lawyers and an army of fanatics at their disposal, done this?</p>
<p>Quietus is right. You can&#8217;t fight the anonymous hydra. The best way to assure that Wiscon is forgotten by the internet goons like so many other internet fads have been is to ignore them. Because they&#8217;re either kids or arrested development cases their attention span is limited.</p>
<p>However, if someone who identifies themselves with Wiscon outs even one of their less anon friends and causes them trouble in meatspace it will keep their attention for as long as the &#8216;battle&#8217; rages and the convention will reap the whirlwind.</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/05/28/what-rachel-moss-did/comment-page-2/#comment-7434</link>
		<dc:creator>claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that quietus is right, too, except that&quot;how to get back at them&quot; thing is pretty obvious: out them. they are &quot;anonymous,&quot; so make them UNanonymous. post their real names on the internet.

you really don&#039;t have to do it to all of them, just a couple of ringleaders, plus the explanation that you could have done it to everyone, but didn&#039;t have the time or the inclination.

the point is, they&#039;re afraid of only one thing, and that&#039;s being outed. all i had to do was post two ip addresses on my blog for all outright sass comments to stop. they even stopped harrassing me on the sass board (as far as i can tell. i did a quick sweep. although i do have to say i was never one of their primary targets.)

i&#039;m not advocating doing this, i&#039;m just saying: it&#039;s not that hard, and these really are cowards. they don&#039;t want their real names on the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that quietus is right, too, except that&#8221;how to get back at them&#8221; thing is pretty obvious: out them. they are &#8220;anonymous,&#8221; so make them UNanonymous. post their real names on the internet.</p>
<p>you really don&#8217;t have to do it to all of them, just a couple of ringleaders, plus the explanation that you could have done it to everyone, but didn&#8217;t have the time or the inclination.</p>
<p>the point is, they&#8217;re afraid of only one thing, and that&#8217;s being outed. all i had to do was post two ip addresses on my blog for all outright sass comments to stop. they even stopped harrassing me on the sass board (as far as i can tell. i did a quick sweep. although i do have to say i was never one of their primary targets.)</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not advocating doing this, i&#8217;m just saying: it&#8217;s not that hard, and these really are cowards. they don&#8217;t want their real names on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/05/28/what-rachel-moss-did/comment-page-2/#comment-7433</link>
		<dc:creator>littlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That first day I was very angry about it, then I woke up the next day and realized that I have a life and actual awesome things going on in it. Am I going to go on living that life or am I going to worry about them?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

U R a roll moddle. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That first day I was very angry about it, then I woke up the next day and realized that I have a life and actual awesome things going on in it. Am I going to go on living that life or am I going to worry about them?</p></blockquote>
<p>U R a roll moddle. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/05/28/what-rachel-moss-did/comment-page-2/#comment-7432</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great thing is that, even though right now we&#039;re all angry and upset that our safe space and trust was violated, next year we will all be together again, talking, laughing, dancing and yes even eating the way we always have. On the other hand, she will be stuck with herself and her viciousness for the rest of her life. The best revenge is, indeed, living well. My love to everyone who has been hurt in this incident, and I hope to see you happy and confident at WisCon 33!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great thing is that, even though right now we&#8217;re all angry and upset that our safe space and trust was violated, next year we will all be together again, talking, laughing, dancing and yes even eating the way we always have. On the other hand, she will be stuck with herself and her viciousness for the rest of her life. The best revenge is, indeed, living well. My love to everyone who has been hurt in this incident, and I hope to see you happy and confident at WisCon 33!</p>
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		<title>By: the angry black woman</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/05/28/what-rachel-moss-did/comment-page-2/#comment-7452</link>
		<dc:creator>the angry black woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One note - I think the only people who dealt with Rachel Moss in meatspace are the sass people and not anyone from WisCon.  Unless you mean the contacting of her boss.

Otherwise, I&#039;ve found the anonymous trolling of me to be a little pathetic when compared to recent events.  (If you weren&#039;t around for the stormfront thing, try searching the site.)  They seem to think that I&#039;ll be upset if they keep calling me &quot;fatty&quot; and &quot;nigger&quot;. They also don&#039;t get how the moderation works around here, and I&#039;m probably frustrating them more than they&#039;ll admit by not allowing their comments up.  I think you&#039;re right in that eventually they will wander away and find some other shiny thing to poke at.  And littlem, while I definitely get you, I think that Quietus is somewhat right in saying that you can&#039;t fight the hordes of anonymous unless there was a way to track them all down and get them all carted off to jail, which won&#039;t happen.  Nor do I care to spend my time making such a thing happen.  What I care about is making this space free of them, and I did that :)

In the end, they don&#039;t have access to this space.  they can only do their thing in their space.  And while their thing is meant to be hurtful, I just can&#039;t find any way to be hurt by some dateless boys with mad photoshop skillz.  That first day I was very angry about it, then I woke up the next day and realized that I have a life and actual awesome things going on in it.  Am I going to go on living that life or am I going to worry about them?

answer is clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One note &#8211; I think the only people who dealt with Rachel Moss in meatspace are the sass people and not anyone from WisCon.  Unless you mean the contacting of her boss.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I&#8217;ve found the anonymous trolling of me to be a little pathetic when compared to recent events.  (If you weren&#8217;t around for the stormfront thing, try searching the site.)  They seem to think that I&#8217;ll be upset if they keep calling me &#8220;fatty&#8221; and &#8220;nigger&#8221;. They also don&#8217;t get how the moderation works around here, and I&#8217;m probably frustrating them more than they&#8217;ll admit by not allowing their comments up.  I think you&#8217;re right in that eventually they will wander away and find some other shiny thing to poke at.  And littlem, while I definitely get you, I think that Quietus is somewhat right in saying that you can&#8217;t fight the hordes of anonymous unless there was a way to track them all down and get them all carted off to jail, which won&#8217;t happen.  Nor do I care to spend my time making such a thing happen.  What I care about is making this space free of them, and I did that :)</p>
<p>In the end, they don&#8217;t have access to this space.  they can only do their thing in their space.  And while their thing is meant to be hurtful, I just can&#8217;t find any way to be hurt by some dateless boys with mad photoshop skillz.  That first day I was very angry about it, then I woke up the next day and realized that I have a life and actual awesome things going on in it.  Am I going to go on living that life or am I going to worry about them?</p>
<p>answer is clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Quietus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quietus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t some dark back alley. In cyberspace, physical factors do not apply. Anonymous are not fuelled by their hatred for you or anyone else, or even really their desire to do harm, but by their quest for sick, cruel amusement. If you refuse to provide them with this amusement by ignoring them, they will go away, rather like dermatitis. It really is as simple as that. The sad truth is, they don&#039;t actually care about you, or anyone really, everyone here is just the target of the moment. Also, just how to you propose to &#039;deter&#039; anonymous? Here we see the kind of factors that come into play in cyberspace: anonymous is an amorphous organisation with maybe as many as 10,000 &#039;true&#039; members, and potentially unlimited resources to wage information warfare. You are all individuals. Named individuals. This is not a fight you want. They can silence you, and for what? Absolutely no reason. This is the reality of the situation. Ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t some dark back alley. In cyberspace, physical factors do not apply. Anonymous are not fuelled by their hatred for you or anyone else, or even really their desire to do harm, but by their quest for sick, cruel amusement. If you refuse to provide them with this amusement by ignoring them, they will go away, rather like dermatitis. It really is as simple as that. The sad truth is, they don&#8217;t actually care about you, or anyone really, everyone here is just the target of the moment. Also, just how to you propose to &#8216;deter&#8217; anonymous? Here we see the kind of factors that come into play in cyberspace: anonymous is an amorphous organisation with maybe as many as 10,000 &#8216;true&#8217; members, and potentially unlimited resources to wage information warfare. You are all individuals. Named individuals. This is not a fight you want. They can silence you, and for what? Absolutely no reason. This is the reality of the situation. Ignore them.</p>
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