Comments on: Standing is Solidarity With My Sisters

By: If Palin is a Feminist, What Am I? « Dolly Speaks

If Palin is a Feminist, What Am I? « Dolly Speaks — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:56:55 +0000

[...] to get more respect from guys or at least avoid being labelled as hairy-legged and angry. Even when WOCs with justified arguments refused the “feminist” label, I was disappointed. I [...]

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:09:19 +0000

How to count gains, the gold coin analogy. Think there are 4 people, a white couple (of both sexes) and a black couple. There are 40 gold coins in a heap. Each person is asked to pick equal number of coins, in a fair system it would be 10 each. They all take 10 coins initially. Now due to male privelege, both the black male and the white male take, 5 coins each from the females of their corresponding race respectively. Now the score is white male,15,black male,15,white female,5,black female 5. Due to white privelege, the white male takes 5 coins from the black male and the white female takes 5 coins from the black female. With sexism and racism, total scores will be white male, 20, white female 10, black male 10, black female 0. This is considering sexism and racism incur the same equal proportion of gains and losses(5 points in the analogy). If we eliminate racism, the scores would be, white male,15,black male 15,white female 5,black female 5 whereas if we eliminate sexism, the scores would be, white male 15, white female 15, black male 5, black female 5. If just one sexism or racism were to disappear and the other remained., the black female stands at the same point, of course here the assumption is that both sexism and racism cause equal losses. However in terms of power and wealth in society, it seems likely that more gold coins are taken away for racism than sexism.

By: Feminism Friday: When women who advocate for women’s rights reject the label “feminist” « Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog

Thu, 01 May 2008 19:30:06 +0000

[...] – The “or” versus the “and”: women of color and mainstream feminism ABW: Standing in solidarity with my sisters Sudy – A Question of Feminism or a “Movement?” Sylvia/M – Don’t Hate; [...]

By: Jonquil

Jonquil — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:49:14 +0000

This whole thing is WRONG, and I don’t mean the WOC response. It’s as blatant a piece of appropriation as I’ve ever seen. And the comments about “I’m too busy being a feminist to worry about race” — shame on them.

I did call this out on my LJ (http://jonquil.livejournal.com/703332.html), and my friends educated me further.

By: Katie

Katie — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:45:37 +0000

UPDATE: Marcotte’s response is here:

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/25/i-guess-its-a-jungle-in-here-too-huh/#comments

By: Legible Susan

Legible Susan — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:34:20 +0000

Whoa! Srsly? *looks at pictures* Urgh, gross. And those howling savages are the only PoC in the book? Whoof.

What was she thinking? Outside of reprinting something from 80 years ago with satirical intent, there’s no excuse for pictures like that. It crosses the line from entitled cluelessness to wilful ignorance and so far out the other side. Bloody hell.

By: lavendertook

lavendertook — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:12:58 +0000

nojojojo, I’m with you. I’m a hater now, too, right here, right now. Goddamn. There’s just no excuse for this racist crap from Seal Press and Marcotte. Cluelessness doesn’t begin to cover this. Aversive racism doesn’t even cover this. This is racism pure and simple. And fuck them for trying to pass this off as feminism.

By: Julia

Julia — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:56:41 +0000

Ico and nojojojo,
Thanks so much for posting links to those illustrations and for bringing this whole book thing to wider attention! I am so angry, I actually feel sick. I guess that’s what happens when you start the day confronting new assholery from good old Amanda and her cronies. *vomit* I can’t fucking believe that idiot is paid to publish bullshit like this, and it’s even worse knowing how many great WoC writers are being ignored.

By: nojojojo

nojojojo — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:17:45 +0000

::facepalm::

Seal Press didn’t have “haters” before — they had people who were angry and expressing it and hoping they would listen. But they sure as hell have at least one hater now, right here.

By: Tom Head

Tom Head — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:49:43 +0000

I want to give Amanda the benefit of the doubt. I can’t anymore. You screwed up, ma’am. Big time.

My feelings about Seal Press were neutral from the beginning, but I will say that it’s becoming clear that there’s a pattern developing with them here.

Seal Press must correct this for the second printing.

I am beginning to understand even better why many WOC in my own community who are leaders in feminist activism are reluctant to self-describe as feminists.

There is still a lot of unacknowledged racism in the movement that has been carried over to the younger generation. And most of the leaders in the movement do not seem to mind.