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		<title>By: abw</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/04/14/poc-and-the-politics-of-medical-research/comment-page-1/#comment-6412</link>
		<dc:creator>abw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quietus, alot of times when people question if AIDS was created as a form of biological warfare-they specifically say they believe that it was created explicitly for the purpose of reducing both the gay and black population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quietus, alot of times when people question if AIDS was created as a form of biological warfare-they specifically say they believe that it was created explicitly for the purpose of reducing both the gay and black population.</p>
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		<title>By: Physicians, Heal Thy Attitudes &#171; Ideologically Impure</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/04/14/poc-and-the-politics-of-medical-research/comment-page-1/#comment-6411</link>
		<dc:creator>Physicians, Heal Thy Attitudes &#171; Ideologically Impure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 01:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] such a horrible thing to say, how good I have it. Because I don&#8217;t have to incorporate a long and sordid history of unethical (to say the least) medical experimentation on my racial group into my mindset. My single disability only requires really strong reading [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] such a horrible thing to say, how good I have it. Because I don&#8217;t have to incorporate a long and sordid history of unethical (to say the least) medical experimentation on my racial group into my mindset. My single disability only requires really strong reading [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jeannette</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeannette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for this thoughtful post and the thoughtful comments it inspired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this thoughtful post and the thoughtful comments it inspired.</p>
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		<title>By: Mid-week Recommended Reading &#171; don&#8217;t ya wish your girlfriend was smart like me?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mid-week Recommended Reading &#171; don&#8217;t ya wish your girlfriend was smart like me?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 09:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article from angry black woman POC and the politics of medical research. Unfortunately, this topic is still [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/04/14/poc-and-the-politics-of-medical-research/comment-page-1/#comment-6397</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a longer comment to this effect before, but the spam filter ate it or something so this may turn out to be a duplicate.

Anyway, about institutional review boards: All IRBs (in the US anyway) are required to have at least one member who is not affiliated with the institution and not in the medical profession. This person should represent the community or lay person&#039;s interests. If anyone is interested in volunteering, most hospitals are interested in to desperate for volunteers for their IRBs. Though a word of warning: they&#039;re generally desperate because being on an IRB is BORING. You&#039;ll spend more time making sure that all the forms are filled out correctly than you will questioning unethical research. Nonetheless, it&#039;s a concrete thing any interested person can do to help ensure better research practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a longer comment to this effect before, but the spam filter ate it or something so this may turn out to be a duplicate.</p>
<p>Anyway, about institutional review boards: All IRBs (in the US anyway) are required to have at least one member who is not affiliated with the institution and not in the medical profession. This person should represent the community or lay person&#8217;s interests. If anyone is interested in volunteering, most hospitals are interested in to desperate for volunteers for their IRBs. Though a word of warning: they&#8217;re generally desperate because being on an IRB is BORING. You&#8217;ll spend more time making sure that all the forms are filled out correctly than you will questioning unethical research. Nonetheless, it&#8217;s a concrete thing any interested person can do to help ensure better research practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mixed reactions to this post.  My background is scientific research - cell biology research at a university and not clinical research.  I have also personally been a guinea pig several times for various clinical trial research studies.  I now work in public health, specifically dealing with immunizations.

I have seen first-hand many many times how the media and &quot;lay&quot; public distorts actual scientific fact to support outrage.  I have heard things and seen quotes printed in respectable news publications that are just downright innacurate and based in a complete lack of understanding of the actual science being discussed.  Because of this, I tend to read anything regarding science in a non-scientific medium with caution.  And I encourage others to do the same.  Journalists are usually not scientists.  Outraged parents are usually not scientists.  Therefore, there is a fairly high probability that they will misread information and have an inaccurate perception of what is actually happening.

Even taking this one step further, I do not even feel comfortable making a judgement about the soil study linked at the beginning of this post because it&#039;s a type of science with which I am not familiar.  And I really do not believe I can make any accurate judgement based on what a journalist believes to understand about this scientific study.

As a second point, I would like to discuss two other things.  One is the availability of people for research studies and the other is the attitude of the scientists toward the research subjects.  Most research subjects are going to be from a low economic class.  Money or free medical care are really the only two incentives that a research study can use to find participants.  Most people don&#039;t feel an altruistic need to help further scientific research enough to be inconvenienced by participating in a study without those other motivators.  So, you find research subjects that need the money enough to subject themselves to clinical trials or need the medical care enough to subject themselves to clinical trials.  This generally leaves you with lower economic classes or people suffering from catastrophic diseases that modern medicine can&#039;t cure, yet.  Or you have the combination in people that have catastrophic illnesses that they can&#039;t afford to treat.

Unfortunately, many researchers I have encountered have a distanced attitude about research subjects.  It may be a protective mechanism.  I personally ended up leaving the field because I couldn&#039;t take all the mouse-killing and I never developed a detatched-enough attitude.  But I have heard researchers talk about terminal cancer patients as if &quot;well, they&#039;re going to die anyways, lets at least get some benefit out of it with a clinical trial for drug toxicity.&quot;  I find this appalling, but how else do you test for drug toxicity in humans?  There really is no other way to do it.  And testing for drug toxicity is how you find the dosage for a drug where it stops being beneficial and starts harming the patient.  Nearly all drugs have this point and if you don&#039;t know what it is, the drug isn&#039;t safe to use.  Really, there are no easy answers here.

Okay, what&#039;s the point of this comment?  Yes, there are many examples of unscrupulous scientists out there.  Yes, there are going to be racists, sexists, heterosexists, ageists, and every other kind of bigot among the population of &quot;scientists&quot; just like there are with every other occupation group.  Yes, that is a problem to address (hopefully through holding IRBs accountable for not doing their jobs).  But I just want to encourage people to think a bit more critically about these types of stories.  For the reasons at the beginning of my comment and for other public health reasons, contributing to a general distrust and outrage against the scientific and medical community is not necessarily a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed reactions to this post.  My background is scientific research &#8211; cell biology research at a university and not clinical research.  I have also personally been a guinea pig several times for various clinical trial research studies.  I now work in public health, specifically dealing with immunizations.</p>
<p>I have seen first-hand many many times how the media and &#8220;lay&#8221; public distorts actual scientific fact to support outrage.  I have heard things and seen quotes printed in respectable news publications that are just downright innacurate and based in a complete lack of understanding of the actual science being discussed.  Because of this, I tend to read anything regarding science in a non-scientific medium with caution.  And I encourage others to do the same.  Journalists are usually not scientists.  Outraged parents are usually not scientists.  Therefore, there is a fairly high probability that they will misread information and have an inaccurate perception of what is actually happening.</p>
<p>Even taking this one step further, I do not even feel comfortable making a judgement about the soil study linked at the beginning of this post because it&#8217;s a type of science with which I am not familiar.  And I really do not believe I can make any accurate judgement based on what a journalist believes to understand about this scientific study.</p>
<p>As a second point, I would like to discuss two other things.  One is the availability of people for research studies and the other is the attitude of the scientists toward the research subjects.  Most research subjects are going to be from a low economic class.  Money or free medical care are really the only two incentives that a research study can use to find participants.  Most people don&#8217;t feel an altruistic need to help further scientific research enough to be inconvenienced by participating in a study without those other motivators.  So, you find research subjects that need the money enough to subject themselves to clinical trials or need the medical care enough to subject themselves to clinical trials.  This generally leaves you with lower economic classes or people suffering from catastrophic diseases that modern medicine can&#8217;t cure, yet.  Or you have the combination in people that have catastrophic illnesses that they can&#8217;t afford to treat.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many researchers I have encountered have a distanced attitude about research subjects.  It may be a protective mechanism.  I personally ended up leaving the field because I couldn&#8217;t take all the mouse-killing and I never developed a detatched-enough attitude.  But I have heard researchers talk about terminal cancer patients as if &#8220;well, they&#8217;re going to die anyways, lets at least get some benefit out of it with a clinical trial for drug toxicity.&#8221;  I find this appalling, but how else do you test for drug toxicity in humans?  There really is no other way to do it.  And testing for drug toxicity is how you find the dosage for a drug where it stops being beneficial and starts harming the patient.  Nearly all drugs have this point and if you don&#8217;t know what it is, the drug isn&#8217;t safe to use.  Really, there are no easy answers here.</p>
<p>Okay, what&#8217;s the point of this comment?  Yes, there are many examples of unscrupulous scientists out there.  Yes, there are going to be racists, sexists, heterosexists, ageists, and every other kind of bigot among the population of &#8220;scientists&#8221; just like there are with every other occupation group.  Yes, that is a problem to address (hopefully through holding IRBs accountable for not doing their jobs).  But I just want to encourage people to think a bit more critically about these types of stories.  For the reasons at the beginning of my comment and for other public health reasons, contributing to a general distrust and outrage against the scientific and medical community is not necessarily a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Blog Break &#171; Aaminah Hernández</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog Break &#171; Aaminah Hernández</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] she is, and several others just be disrespected. I have read the news and my heart is breaking over and over. The inhumanity is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Quietus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quietus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to deflect the discussion, but I wonder, has anyone ever advanced the theory that AIDS might have been created (or spread) to target homosexuals? Remember that AIDS was originally called GRIDS (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome) and also reflect upon the ongoing pseudo-medical efforts to find a &#039;cure&#039; for homosexuality. I&#039;m not saying this makes any sense, at the end of the day neither really does the idea AIDS was created to target POC. All I&#039;m saying is that, perhaps, this perversion of the art of healing runs into areas other than racism. I still, in 2008, am not allowed to give blood because I am a bisexual male. I can marry a man (hurrah UK), but I cannot give blood. I also can&#039;t help but feel that this problem is far worse in the United States because of your ridiculous health-care system. A country that sees more merit in bombing poor brown-skinned folk than caring for its own sick is not much of a country, in my honest opinion.

The ongoing nature of these medical experiments really is appaling though. Some of this stuff seems more fitting for the laboratory of Josef Mengeles than for a modern democracy. I wish I had some sort of trouble believing these reports, but I don&#039;t. And people still turn round and says racism is a problem of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to deflect the discussion, but I wonder, has anyone ever advanced the theory that AIDS might have been created (or spread) to target homosexuals? Remember that AIDS was originally called GRIDS (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome) and also reflect upon the ongoing pseudo-medical efforts to find a &#8216;cure&#8217; for homosexuality. I&#8217;m not saying this makes any sense, at the end of the day neither really does the idea AIDS was created to target POC. All I&#8217;m saying is that, perhaps, this perversion of the art of healing runs into areas other than racism. I still, in 2008, am not allowed to give blood because I am a bisexual male. I can marry a man (hurrah UK), but I cannot give blood. I also can&#8217;t help but feel that this problem is far worse in the United States because of your ridiculous health-care system. A country that sees more merit in bombing poor brown-skinned folk than caring for its own sick is not much of a country, in my honest opinion.</p>
<p>The ongoing nature of these medical experiments really is appaling though. Some of this stuff seems more fitting for the laboratory of Josef Mengeles than for a modern democracy. I wish I had some sort of trouble believing these reports, but I don&#8217;t. And people still turn round and says racism is a problem of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: london</title>
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		<dc:creator>london</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is incredible, these scientists are abominable.... i have always thought that the medical institutions take to much blood whatever and use the balance left from testing as they see fit ... being from the other side of the atlantic i have not heard of these cases...
i do know the british  experimented on the poor and incarcerated in victorian times over here but am not sure of the cases since then
i am going to get a copy of &#039;medical apartheid&#039;... and then see what i can dig up over here..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is incredible, these scientists are abominable&#8230;. i have always thought that the medical institutions take to much blood whatever and use the balance left from testing as they see fit &#8230; being from the other side of the atlantic i have not heard of these cases&#8230;<br />
i do know the british  experimented on the poor and incarcerated in victorian times over here but am not sure of the cases since then<br />
i am going to get a copy of &#8216;medical apartheid&#8217;&#8230; and then see what i can dig up over here..</p>
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		<title>By: Mari-Djata</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mari-Djata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humans created AIDS. It was the biproduct of faulty polio vaccines created from chimp blood who have the monkey variety of the disease.  The virus mutated and was able to be passed on to humans. If you do not believe this, try finding a case of the AIDS virus before the polio vaccine was created.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpzly_origins-of-aids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans created AIDS. It was the biproduct of faulty polio vaccines created from chimp blood who have the monkey variety of the disease.  The virus mutated and was able to be passed on to humans. If you do not believe this, try finding a case of the AIDS virus before the polio vaccine was created.</p>
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