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		<title>By: nojojojo</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/03/18/the-gospel-of-race-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-11327</link>
		<dc:creator>nojojojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, moron, it was a warning, and it wasn&#039;t done by &quot;someone&quot;, it was me.  And since you didn&#039;t take the warning in the spirit it was meant &lt;em&gt;or&lt;/em&gt; read &quot;The Rules&quot; apparently, you&#039;re outta here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, moron, it was a warning, and it wasn&#8217;t done by &#8220;someone&#8221;, it was me.  And since you didn&#8217;t take the warning in the spirit it was meant <em>or</em> read &#8220;The Rules&#8221; apparently, you&#8217;re outta here.</p>
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		<title>By: nojojojo</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/03/18/the-gospel-of-race-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-11324</link>
		<dc:creator>nojojojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Year late and a few dollars short, jujube.</description>
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		<title>By: jujube</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/03/18/the-gospel-of-race-in-america/comment-page-1/#comment-11320</link>
		<dc:creator>jujube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whr s th tm spnt n ll ths nnsns bt ngr gng? Wll t mk n dffrnc? Wll th plntr bcm th slv nd th slv th plntr? Wll th Znst Jw vr cnsdr th gntl hmn nd nt cttl? n fct wll th Znst Jw nd hs md, Hllywd vr lt p n prpgndzng dvd nd cnqr sss lk g mrrg s f t mttrs t s ll dnt cnt n t. s lwys, fllw th mn, thr s bg mn mchn n prpgnd f ll typs, spcll ngr nd spcs dffrncs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whr s th tm spnt n ll ths nnsns bt ngr gng? Wll t mk n dffrnc? Wll th plntr bcm th slv nd th slv th plntr? Wll th Znst Jw vr cnsdr th gntl hmn nd nt cttl? n fct wll th Znst Jw nd hs md, Hllywd vr lt p n prpgndzng dvd nd cnqr sss lk g mrrg s f t mttrs t s ll dnt cnt n t. s lwys, fllw th mn, thr s bg mn mchn n prpgnd f ll typs, spcll ngr nd spcs dffrncs.</p>
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		<title>By: Saladin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Matt &amp; Veronica

I think the truth is somewhere in between what the two of you say.  Yes, in some manner the descendents of slaves, the descendents of slave owners, and of white/brown/black/yellow immigrants have all benefitted from the slave labor (and native genocide) that served as the &#039;front money&#039; of the American infrastructure.  But it&#039;s very important to note that this benefit-reaping has been so massively unequal (in favor of white people) that it almost doesn&#039;t make sense to compare.

@ Matt

Your assertion, though, that &quot;we all drive on the same roads, rich or poor.&quot; is not true.  Go drive around southwest Detroit for a few hours and see what those potholes do to your shocks, man!  No rich people driving on those roads.  Then go to the latest exburb subdivision an hour outside Detroit and feel the smooth pavement caress your tires lovingly.  There&#039;s a world of difference.  Then there&#039;s the question of which roads get salted/plowed properly...

All infrastucture is equal, but some parts of it are sure as hell more equal than other parts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Matt &amp; Veronica</p>
<p>I think the truth is somewhere in between what the two of you say.  Yes, in some manner the descendents of slaves, the descendents of slave owners, and of white/brown/black/yellow immigrants have all benefitted from the slave labor (and native genocide) that served as the &#8216;front money&#8217; of the American infrastructure.  But it&#8217;s very important to note that this benefit-reaping has been so massively unequal (in favor of white people) that it almost doesn&#8217;t make sense to compare.</p>
<p>@ Matt</p>
<p>Your assertion, though, that &#8220;we all drive on the same roads, rich or poor.&#8221; is not true.  Go drive around southwest Detroit for a few hours and see what those potholes do to your shocks, man!  No rich people driving on those roads.  Then go to the latest exburb subdivision an hour outside Detroit and feel the smooth pavement caress your tires lovingly.  There&#8217;s a world of difference.  Then there&#8217;s the question of which roads get salted/plowed properly&#8230;</p>
<p>All infrastucture is equal, but some parts of it are sure as hell more equal than other parts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that black people have &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; profitted from it.  So, for example, the city of Providence was erected with the proceeds of the slave trade, but it&#039;s not as though Brown was open to black students in the same numbers and proportions it was open to white people.  Black Americans&#039; labor was stolen from them and used to create wealth which they were barred from enjoying.  Slave labor enriched white slaveowners, who passed that wealth onto their children and used it to construct structures and programs that benefitted whites.  Further, this theft of labor meant that black people were prevented from accumulating wealth and passing it down to their descendants, a large factor in the disproportionate impoverishment of black people in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that black people have <i>not</i> profitted from it.  So, for example, the city of Providence was erected with the proceeds of the slave trade, but it&#8217;s not as though Brown was open to black students in the same numbers and proportions it was open to white people.  Black Americans&#8217; labor was stolen from them and used to create wealth which they were barred from enjoying.  Slave labor enriched white slaveowners, who passed that wealth onto their children and used it to construct structures and programs that benefitted whites.  Further, this theft of labor meant that black people were prevented from accumulating wealth and passing it down to their descendants, a large factor in the disproportionate impoverishment of black people in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading your feelings about Obama&#039;s speech, but I must take issue with your opener. As controversial as it may sound, I believe everyone living in the United States today has relativistically &quot;benefitted&quot; from the &quot;free labor&quot; that you cite offered by the slavery and indenture systems of 400 to 150 years ago, not just white people in the short term.  Everyone has profited in some way from these unwilling sacrifices. It is a part of how this nation was built, just as by other exploited workers and peoples, e.g. by hundreds of thousands of Chinese immigrant laborers in the second half of the 1800&#039;s.  Before discrediting the value of infrastructure, remember: we all drive on the same roads, rich or poor.

I will completely agree, however, that the forceful isolation of blacks in the US through a continued denial of civil rights has had lasting effects, and this, more than slavery, is worth preaching about.  It has prevented full assimilation. Historically, assimilation had been, for many years, key to any [immigrant] group&#039;s success over the long term.

A new chapter is being written now, stressing multiculturalism over assimilation.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out and to see if this actually helps realize the dream that we have been waiting for: somehow magically achieving equality without sacrificing identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading your feelings about Obama&#8217;s speech, but I must take issue with your opener. As controversial as it may sound, I believe everyone living in the United States today has relativistically &#8220;benefitted&#8221; from the &#8220;free labor&#8221; that you cite offered by the slavery and indenture systems of 400 to 150 years ago, not just white people in the short term.  Everyone has profited in some way from these unwilling sacrifices. It is a part of how this nation was built, just as by other exploited workers and peoples, e.g. by hundreds of thousands of Chinese immigrant laborers in the second half of the 1800&#8217;s.  Before discrediting the value of infrastructure, remember: we all drive on the same roads, rich or poor.</p>
<p>I will completely agree, however, that the forceful isolation of blacks in the US through a continued denial of civil rights has had lasting effects, and this, more than slavery, is worth preaching about.  It has prevented full assimilation. Historically, assimilation had been, for many years, key to any [immigrant] group&#8217;s success over the long term.</p>
<p>A new chapter is being written now, stressing multiculturalism over assimilation.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out and to see if this actually helps realize the dream that we have been waiting for: somehow magically achieving equality without sacrificing identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On the whole “teach me” topic, yes I have heard those sentiments many times before and I have heard folks respond in many ways to it. I recognize that a random stranger on the street is not going to “teach me,” which is why I decided to post here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To random strangers on the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On the whole “teach me” topic, yes I have heard those sentiments many times before and I have heard folks respond in many ways to it. I recognize that a random stranger on the street is not going to “teach me,” which is why I decided to post here.</p></blockquote>
<p>To random strangers on the web.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently even though it&#039;s been discussed &quot;ad nauseum,&quot; it&#039;s still an issue that begs discussion.

I&#039;ve learned from my family that differences are parts of us that make us who we are. The choices we make, the people we love, the things we do and why are also parts that make us who we are.

Not that differences are nothing, but that they are what make us all individuals. No two people of the same shade are exactly the same human being because of differences other than their race.

You&#039;re right, I have not learned in my experiences yet that &quot;difference is everything.&quot; I think common ground is equally as important as differences.

On the whole &quot;teach me&quot; topic, yes I have heard those sentiments many times before and I have heard folks respond in many ways to it. I recognize that a random stranger on the street is not going to &quot;teach me,&quot; which is why I decided to post here. I figured that if everyone thought I was just an idiot, then they wouldn&#039;t respond or they&#039;d tell me to go away.

At any rate, I won&#039;t post here again since I obviously am just bringing up the same old, same old. Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently even though it&#8217;s been discussed &#8220;ad nauseum,&#8221; it&#8217;s still an issue that begs discussion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned from my family that differences are parts of us that make us who we are. The choices we make, the people we love, the things we do and why are also parts that make us who we are.</p>
<p>Not that differences are nothing, but that they are what make us all individuals. No two people of the same shade are exactly the same human being because of differences other than their race.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I have not learned in my experiences yet that &#8220;difference is everything.&#8221; I think common ground is equally as important as differences.</p>
<p>On the whole &#8220;teach me&#8221; topic, yes I have heard those sentiments many times before and I have heard folks respond in many ways to it. I recognize that a random stranger on the street is not going to &#8220;teach me,&#8221; which is why I decided to post here. I figured that if everyone thought I was just an idiot, then they wouldn&#8217;t respond or they&#8217;d tell me to go away.</p>
<p>At any rate, I won&#8217;t post here again since I obviously am just bringing up the same old, same old. Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatever interview I saw made an impression on me and I added the rss and read it regularly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you do read it regularly, then why did you bring up a topic that has been discussed here - and other anti-racism sites - ad nauseum?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I wanted to start a dialogue here because I thought this might be a safe place to show that yes, I grew up being taught to ‘not be racist’ in a town full of hicks and rednecks who are and very few people of any race other than white.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly! You were taught &quot;not think about someone’s race&quot;, but you learned this lesson in a racially homogenous environment. Now that you&#039;re out in the real world, you&#039;re (hopefully) learning that not all of us have the freedom to think the way you do, because there are too many people out there who judge us for what we are instead of who we are.

You&#039;ve learned that &lt;b&gt;differences are nothing&lt;/b&gt;, but it seems as though you&#039;re still refusing to acknowledge that &lt;b&gt;differences are everything&lt;/b&gt;, also.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thank you to everyone who responded to me nicely or not so much.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeeeaaaah. &lt;a href=&quot;http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/the-privilege-of-politeness/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;About that....&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whatever interview I saw made an impression on me and I added the rss and read it regularly.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you do read it regularly, then why did you bring up a topic that has been discussed here &#8211; and other anti-racism sites &#8211; ad nauseum?</p>
<blockquote><p>I wanted to start a dialogue here because I thought this might be a safe place to show that yes, I grew up being taught to ‘not be racist’ in a town full of hicks and rednecks who are and very few people of any race other than white.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly! You were taught &#8220;not think about someone’s race&#8221;, but you learned this lesson in a racially homogenous environment. Now that you&#8217;re out in the real world, you&#8217;re (hopefully) learning that not all of us have the freedom to think the way you do, because there are too many people out there who judge us for what we are instead of who we are.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve learned that <b>differences are nothing</b>, but it seems as though you&#8217;re still refusing to acknowledge that <b>differences are everything</b>, also.</p>
<blockquote><p>Thank you to everyone who responded to me nicely or not so much.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeeeaaaah. <a href="http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/the-privilege-of-politeness/" rel="nofollow">About that&#8230;.</a></p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Angel-
I read the entirety of the post and comments at AverageBro.com. I found the discussion that @Spool started to be similar to what I was trying to discuss here. Though he is far more eloquent than I am. His posts seemed to show what my parents&#039; thoughts would be.

Also, I started reading this blog when I saw it on tv. My memory isn&#039;t very good, but I think perhaps an author was on The Daily Show or something like that. Whatever interview I saw made an impression on me and I added the rss and read it regularly. So yeah, your assumptions about why I chose this blog are wrong.

To A. - Quoting the entirety of someone&#039;s work is hardly useful. Assuming you know what I have or have not read is equally futile.


I wanted to start a dialogue here because I thought this might be a safe place to show that yes, I grew up being taught to &#039;not be racist&#039; in a town full of hicks and rednecks who are and very few people of any race other than white. And while I have a college education and I am well-read, I am far from worldly. I do however deeply care about who our next president will be and while I can relate in some ways to both Hillary and Obama, his recent speech made me feel as though there are things about racism in this country that I truly do not comprehend.

So after reading this particular post, I decided to comment.

Thank you to everyone who responded to me nicely or not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Angel-<br />
I read the entirety of the post and comments at AverageBro.com. I found the discussion that @Spool started to be similar to what I was trying to discuss here. Though he is far more eloquent than I am. His posts seemed to show what my parents&#8217; thoughts would be.</p>
<p>Also, I started reading this blog when I saw it on tv. My memory isn&#8217;t very good, but I think perhaps an author was on The Daily Show or something like that. Whatever interview I saw made an impression on me and I added the rss and read it regularly. So yeah, your assumptions about why I chose this blog are wrong.</p>
<p>To A. &#8211; Quoting the entirety of someone&#8217;s work is hardly useful. Assuming you know what I have or have not read is equally futile.</p>
<p>I wanted to start a dialogue here because I thought this might be a safe place to show that yes, I grew up being taught to &#8216;not be racist&#8217; in a town full of hicks and rednecks who are and very few people of any race other than white. And while I have a college education and I am well-read, I am far from worldly. I do however deeply care about who our next president will be and while I can relate in some ways to both Hillary and Obama, his recent speech made me feel as though there are things about racism in this country that I truly do not comprehend.</p>
<p>So after reading this particular post, I decided to comment.</p>
<p>Thank you to everyone who responded to me nicely or not so much.</p>
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