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	<title>Comments on: Feminism still isn&#8217;t for black women</title>
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		<title>By: Shelli</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/02/14/a-black-woman-contemplates-breaking-up-with-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-4969</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with this post. I have thought this for a number of years. As a black woman, I am tired of white women feeling that they have the right to talk down to me and help me to decide what I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with this post. I have thought this for a number of years. As a black woman, I am tired of white women feeling that they have the right to talk down to me and help me to decide what I think.</p>
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		<title>By: OutsiderintheRoom</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/02/14/a-black-woman-contemplates-breaking-up-with-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-4965</link>
		<dc:creator>OutsiderintheRoom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By voting for a white woman aka Clinton, the black woman is voting for an entity that is bound to contribute to the stymie of black progress directly or indirectly. If African Americans have to progress the status quo should be broken. Is it reasonable to expect that black women can be empowered without empowering the black men too. I find the notion ludicrous!!! Representing a significant proportion of the black community, if the men continue to suffer, the whole community&#039;s power will remain diluted. Voting for Clinton will help racism, not feminism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By voting for a white woman aka Clinton, the black woman is voting for an entity that is bound to contribute to the stymie of black progress directly or indirectly. If African Americans have to progress the status quo should be broken. Is it reasonable to expect that black women can be empowered without empowering the black men too. I find the notion ludicrous!!! Representing a significant proportion of the black community, if the men continue to suffer, the whole community&#8217;s power will remain diluted. Voting for Clinton will help racism, not feminism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarod HM</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/02/14/a-black-woman-contemplates-breaking-up-with-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-4942</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarod HM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting brownfemipower responing to Saladin:

&quot; Here I’d point out that Erica Jong’s ‘feminist masterpiece’ Fear of Flying has a chapter entitled “Arabs and Other Animals”. And no, she’s not being ironic…

oh no she did NOT…

::RAGE::&quot;

I am in my university library sitting with a copy of Fear of Flying, and at least when it comes to the anniversary edition, Saladin is right. The 14th chapter is called &quot;Arabs &amp; Other Animals.&quot;  Few telling passage for early in chapter is &quot;There was a greasy Egyptian (is there any other kind?) sitting next to me, ...&quot;  and &quot; He had a huge nose like Nasser&#039;s (all Egyptians look like Nasser to me) ...&quot; (Jong 232-3).

We should never think overlook that power of the Orientalist mythology has on Western thinkers, even those who consider themselves as &quot;progressive&quot; as Erica Jong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting brownfemipower responing to Saladin:</p>
<p>&#8221; Here I’d point out that Erica Jong’s ‘feminist masterpiece’ Fear of Flying has a chapter entitled “Arabs and Other Animals”. And no, she’s not being ironic…</p>
<p>oh no she did NOT…</p>
<p>::RAGE::&#8221;</p>
<p>I am in my university library sitting with a copy of Fear of Flying, and at least when it comes to the anniversary edition, Saladin is right. The 14th chapter is called &#8220;Arabs &amp; Other Animals.&#8221;  Few telling passage for early in chapter is &#8220;There was a greasy Egyptian (is there any other kind?) sitting next to me, &#8230;&#8221;  and &#8221; He had a huge nose like Nasser&#8217;s (all Egyptians look like Nasser to me) &#8230;&#8221; (Jong 232-3).</p>
<p>We should never think overlook that power of the Orientalist mythology has on Western thinkers, even those who consider themselves as &#8220;progressive&#8221; as Erica Jong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarod HM</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/02/14/a-black-woman-contemplates-breaking-up-with-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-4941</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarod HM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The significant difference, to follow on the post by ABW, is the declaration of appropriation and critique as  opposed to the reject of feminism as a concept. Like I said in response to Aaminah Hernández, we need to have as many people changing this ideas that are put forth in the name of feminism. Although the &quot;academic study&quot; of &quot;feminist theory&quot; may seem relevant to your life, people are out their trying to change policy or intervene in other countries using this ideas as a frame of reference. The longer alternative voices remain silent, the further we move away from a productive dialogue and action about sexism and its intersection with racism and classism in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The significant difference, to follow on the post by ABW, is the declaration of appropriation and critique as  opposed to the reject of feminism as a concept. Like I said in response to Aaminah Hernández, we need to have as many people changing this ideas that are put forth in the name of feminism. Although the &#8220;academic study&#8221; of &#8220;feminist theory&#8221; may seem relevant to your life, people are out their trying to change policy or intervene in other countries using this ideas as a frame of reference. The longer alternative voices remain silent, the further we move away from a productive dialogue and action about sexism and its intersection with racism and classism in America.</p>
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		<title>By: 54th Carnival of Feminists &#171; In a strange land</title>
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		<dc:creator>54th Carnival of Feminists &#171; In a strange land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The election in the middle latitudes of North America, the United States of America, concerns us all. Some election blogging - the Young and Broke Amanda Gleason assesses the race so far. Menstrual Poetry writes about Republican front-runner John McCain&#8217;s position on abortion. It&#8217;s sneaky moves he&#8217;s making there. Obama: was he or wasn&#8217;t he sexist talking about Clinton getting down periodically? Mad Kane&#8217;s Political Madness thinks it&#8217;s  a textbook case of subtle sexism. Feministe whistles up a storm on the same topic. But Karnythia at The Angry Black Woman contemplates breaking up with feminism. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The election in the middle latitudes of North America, the United States of America, concerns us all. Some election blogging &#8211; the Young and Broke Amanda Gleason assesses the race so far. Menstrual Poetry writes about Republican front-runner John McCain&#8217;s position on abortion. It&#8217;s sneaky moves he&#8217;s making there. Obama: was he or wasn&#8217;t he sexist talking about Clinton getting down periodically? Mad Kane&#8217;s Political Madness thinks it&#8217;s  a textbook case of subtle sexism. Feministe whistles up a storm on the same topic. But Karnythia at The Angry Black Woman contemplates breaking up with feminism. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jarod HM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarod HM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was wonderful.  We need more people with powerful voices like Karnythia&#039;s  challenging the ethnocentric, racist, classist, and (often) sexist assumptions that riddle feminist discourse today. More people need to join the fight in challenging the monopoly that Steinem, Jong, and other have on women&#039;s issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was wonderful.  We need more people with powerful voices like Karnythia&#8217;s  challenging the ethnocentric, racist, classist, and (often) sexist assumptions that riddle feminist discourse today. More people need to join the fight in challenging the monopoly that Steinem, Jong, and other have on women&#8217;s issues.</p>
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		<title>By: jamilah bourdon</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/02/14/a-black-woman-contemplates-breaking-up-with-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-4966</link>
		<dc:creator>jamilah bourdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 01:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am actually voting for cynthia mc kinney (as obama&#039;s policies don&#039;t sit well with me- he runs with a group of warmongers too, like brezinski (as well as pledging to invade pakistan if he were in office), but i did like the article.

it&#039;s the same pattern that happened in 1972, when the so-called national organization of women initially supported shirley chisolm, then switched up to mc govern because they didn&#039;t feel her candidacy was viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am actually voting for cynthia mc kinney (as obama&#8217;s policies don&#8217;t sit well with me- he runs with a group of warmongers too, like brezinski (as well as pledging to invade pakistan if he were in office), but i did like the article.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s the same pattern that happened in 1972, when the so-called national organization of women initially supported shirley chisolm, then switched up to mc govern because they didn&#8217;t feel her candidacy was viable.</p>
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		<title>By: Nubian Waves edition of The Erace Racism Blog Carnival</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2008/02/14/a-black-woman-contemplates-breaking-up-with-feminism/comment-page-1/#comment-4968</link>
		<dc:creator>Nubian Waves edition of The Erace Racism Blog Carnival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feminism still isn’t for black women - &#8220;There’s been this running patter from famous feminist authors as Obama collects delegates that essentially says that black women should be voting with their vaginas and not with their skin color.&#8221; [The Angry Black Woman] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Feminism still isn’t for black women &#8211; &#8220;There’s been this running patter from famous feminist authors as Obama collects delegates that essentially says that black women should be voting with their vaginas and not with their skin color.&#8221; [The Angry Black Woman] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tallulahbankhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>tallulahbankhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so I&#039;m wondering what&#039;s going to happen to feminism after the election is over....now that all the skeletons are being let out of the closet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so I&#8217;m wondering what&#8217;s going to happen to feminism after the election is over&#8230;.now that all the skeletons are being let out of the closet.</p>
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		<title>By: Avedon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avedon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one my color has ever been in this race, and I&#039;ve seen what Margaret Thatcher did in England, so none of this crap matters to me.  I listen to what they say and watch how they vote, and I see a couple of jerks who have jerks supporting them.

I&#039;m gonna hold my nose and vote for the Democrat in November, same as I&#039;ve always done.  I&#039;ll console myself if &quot;The First Woman&quot; or &quot;The First Black Man&quot; is voted into the White House, but I have no intention loving either one of them.

The only thing that matters is that &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; November, we stay on their case to get out of Iraq, convict all those Republican criminals, and undo all the damage to our economy that decades of stupid policies have done.

Color and gender are pretty distractions.  If they don&#039;t do the business, I&#039;ll never forgive them for getting into this race and causing all this division in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one my color has ever been in this race, and I&#8217;ve seen what Margaret Thatcher did in England, so none of this crap matters to me.  I listen to what they say and watch how they vote, and I see a couple of jerks who have jerks supporting them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna hold my nose and vote for the Democrat in November, same as I&#8217;ve always done.  I&#8217;ll console myself if &#8220;The First Woman&#8221; or &#8220;The First Black Man&#8221; is voted into the White House, but I have no intention loving either one of them.</p>
<p>The only thing that matters is that <i>after</i> November, we stay on their case to get out of Iraq, convict all those Republican criminals, and undo all the damage to our economy that decades of stupid policies have done.</p>
<p>Color and gender are pretty distractions.  If they don&#8217;t do the business, I&#8217;ll never forgive them for getting into this race and causing all this division in the first place.</p>
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