Comments on: Those who forget the lessons of history http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/ Race, Politics, Gender, Sexuality, Anger Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:46:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Abortion as art. Or maybe it’s art as art. Jury’s still out. « zinepersephone http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4471 Abortion as art. Or maybe it’s art as art. Jury’s still out. « zinepersephone Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:10:57 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4471 [...] services have more to fear from fellow soldiers than they do from combat. Women in this country have been locked up, “detained” in the lingo, so as to not pollute young soldiers with their nasty vaginas. [...] [...] services have more to fear from fellow soldiers than they do from combat. Women in this country have been locked up, “detained” in the lingo, so as to not pollute young soldiers with their nasty vaginas. [...]

]]> By: mnemosyne » rants, musings (& some link love) b4 the end of yr http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4475 mnemosyne » rants, musings (& some link love) b4 the end of yr Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:08:42 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4475 [...] be bought and sold and fails to recognize them as people.” history lesson going on @ abw - those who forget the lessons of history       a meditation on what governments get up... Most American adults are aware that, back during World War 2, our government rounded up Japanese [...] [...] be bought and sold and fails to recognize them as people.” history lesson going on @ abw – those who forget the lessons of history       a meditation on what governments get up… Most American adults are aware that, back during World War 2, our government rounded up Japanese [...]

]]> By: WWI Female Internment Camps « Fitness for the Occasion http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4476 WWI Female Internment Camps « Fitness for the Occasion Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:22:38 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4476 [...] Female Internment Camps Posted on December 8, 2007 by fitnessfortheoccasion Those Who Forget the Lessons of History are doomed to repeat it.  The Angry Black Woman writes: were you aware of who the government chose [...] [...] Female Internment Camps Posted on December 8, 2007 by fitnessfortheoccasion Those Who Forget the Lessons of History are doomed to repeat it.  The Angry Black Woman writes: were you aware of who the government chose [...]

]]> By: A. http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4477 A. Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:28:21 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4477 American NeoCon, since we're talking about citations and such things, and your vague terms of "based on ideology," what then, praytell, would ideology be? You're proposing, so start answering. American NeoCon, since we’re talking about citations and such things, and your vague terms of “based on ideology,” what then, praytell, would ideology be?

You’re proposing, so start answering.

]]> By: the angry black woman http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4478 the angry black woman Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:36:11 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4478 Perhaps you missed this line in the original post: <i>Thankfully, Lowenthal <a href="http://lowenthal.etherweave.com/content.php?page=cgbts&n=2&f=2" rel="nofollow">provides some research material</a> on his own website.</i> There's your citation. The author provides links and PDFs and other useful things. Also, assumption based on what ideology, exactly? What ideology do you <i>assume</i> I subscribe to? You're assuming, after all, that none of this is true based on your ideology. I don't see how, then, I should be the one on the spot? Perhaps you missed this line in the original post:

Thankfully, Lowenthal provides some research material on his own website.

There’s your citation. The author provides links and PDFs and other useful things.

Also, assumption based on what ideology, exactly? What ideology do you assume I subscribe to?

You’re assuming, after all, that none of this is true based on your ideology. I don’t see how, then, I should be the one on the spot?

]]> By: Americaneocon http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4479 Americaneocon Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:24:21 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4479 “It’s a given that wide-spread, government-sanctioned rape occurred all while these women were denied the right to communicate with anyone on the outside, representation by a lawyer, due process, and even an answer as to when they might be released.” That’s not very rigorous. That’s an assumption based on ideology. Where is your evidence? How about some citations? “It’s a given that wide-spread, government-sanctioned rape occurred all while these women were denied the right to communicate with anyone on the outside, representation by a lawyer, due process, and even an answer as to when they might be released.”

That’s not very rigorous. That’s an assumption based on ideology. Where is your evidence? How about some citations?

]]> By: Ico http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4480 Ico Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:48:47 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4480 I read about that on Democracy Now. Some people are calling it the Thought Police bill. It is officially named "Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism." Critics of the bill worry that the government will use it as a way to crack down on dissent/activism (all under the guise of fighting terrorism, of course). According to the Democracy Now summary: "The bill would establish two government-appointed bodies to study, monitor and propose ways of curbing what it calls homegrown terrorism and extremism in the United States." The problem is what the bill defines as "terrorism." This is the actual definition from the text of the bill: "The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." Notice that it doesn't mean ACTUAL use of force or violence. Nor does it define what "force" or "violence" means (for instance, is property destruction violent? Is it forceful? Would this make Greenpeace a domestic terrorist organization? What about anti-war protesters knocking down barricades? Is that violent? Given the vague definition and my own personal experience w/ police, I would say that yes, under this law, it could be) What it says is that even the "planned" or "threatened" use of force or violence for the purpose of political or social objectives = terrorism. Hence the nickname "Thought Police Act." I read about that on Democracy Now. Some people are calling it the Thought Police bill. It is officially named “Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.” Critics of the bill worry that the government will use it as a way to crack down on dissent/activism (all under the guise of fighting terrorism, of course).

According to the Democracy Now summary: “The bill would establish two government-appointed bodies to study, monitor and propose ways of curbing what it calls homegrown terrorism and extremism in the United States.”

The problem is what the bill defines as “terrorism.” This is the actual definition from the text of the bill:

“The term `homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

Notice that it doesn’t mean ACTUAL use of force or violence. Nor does it define what “force” or “violence” means (for instance, is property destruction violent? Is it forceful? Would this make Greenpeace a domestic terrorist organization? What about anti-war protesters knocking down barricades? Is that violent? Given the vague definition and my own personal experience w/ police, I would say that yes, under this law, it could be) What it says is that even the “planned” or “threatened” use of force or violence for the purpose of political or social objectives = terrorism. Hence the nickname “Thought Police Act.”

]]> By: A. http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4481 A. Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:46:44 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4481 Also, in an awesome attempt to squash dissent of any kind, google Senate Bill 1959. You'll be shocked and surprised. Also, in an awesome attempt to squash dissent of any kind, google Senate Bill 1959.

You’ll be shocked and surprised.

]]> By: Katie http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4473 Katie Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:35:05 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4473 Yes, Adam, thanks for rephrasing. Yes, Adam, thanks for rephrasing.

]]> By: januaries http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/comment-page-1/#comment-4474 januaries Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:11:22 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/those-who-forget-the-lessons-of-history/#comment-4474 Adam, thanks for rephrasing, we all put things in an inappropriate way sometimes. I did find your original first comment condescending, so I'm glad you took the time to rewrite it and then to correct the suggestive typo:-) Thanks to that, we avoided an angry exchange in the comments section of this post, you know:-) ABW -- thank you for writing about this. I think the issue wasn't much discussed because decades ago it was (it seems to me) dismissed as a "routine measure." It takes time for people to realize that it's unjust and sexist. An extreme example of how patriarchy operates in matters of this kind are the justifications for rape during WWII. My grandmother and other women in her generation were taught that "men have their needs" and nothing can be done about that. Stupid pseudo-explanations, shrouded as evolutionary psychology, only contribute to belittling the victims' suffering (check out the discussion at Finally, a Feminism 101Blog: http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/11/12/rape-and-evolution/). Adam, thanks for rephrasing, we all put things in an inappropriate way sometimes. I did find your original first comment condescending, so I’m glad you took the time to rewrite it and then to correct the suggestive typo:-)

Thanks to that, we avoided an angry exchange in the comments section of this post, you know:-)

ABW — thank you for writing about this. I think the issue wasn’t much discussed because decades ago it was (it seems to me) dismissed as a “routine measure.” It takes time for people to realize that it’s unjust and sexist.

An extreme example of how patriarchy operates in matters of this kind are the justifications for rape during WWII. My grandmother and other women in her generation were taught that “men have their needs” and nothing can be done about that. Stupid pseudo-explanations, shrouded as evolutionary psychology, only contribute to belittling the victims’ suffering (check out the discussion at Finally, a Feminism 101Blog: http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/11/12/rape-and-evolution/).

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