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		<title>By: Link Roundup: But Some of Us Are Brave Edition &#171; my place</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link Roundup: But Some of Us Are Brave Edition &#171; my place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: donna darko</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna darko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a refreshing discussion. Thanks, ABW.

Men of color are very sensitive to criticism in a racist society but they are insensitive to women of color. Therefore, if a man is sexist, people should not be afraid to say so. There is no need to refer to his race while doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a refreshing discussion. Thanks, ABW.</p>
<p>Men of color are very sensitive to criticism in a racist society but they are insensitive to women of color. Therefore, if a man is sexist, people should not be afraid to say so. There is no need to refer to his race while doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: therealpotato</title>
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		<dc:creator>therealpotato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia, I sympathize with your plight but I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re getting at; you don&#039;t think it&#039;s about race, so why are you listing the races of her boyfriends and generally treating it as a &#039;race issue&#039;?  I&#039;ve worked at a domestic violence shelter and trust me, it&#039;s not about race-- it happens in EVERY community.   And yet DV is still, over and over again, portrayed as a &#039;black thing&#039; or a &#039;Latino thing&#039; or a &#039;poor thing&#039; in the mainstream media.

I&#039;m a white woman who has talked with a lot of  women (a majority of whom were black, because of the location of our shelter) about violent relationships, in professional and informal situations.  I think it made a big difference that they were coming to me, as someone who was there to provide help-- I wasn&#039;t just barging into their lives and going &#039;here&#039;s your problem&#039;!  Let her know you&#039;re there for her, say things that boost her self esteem, point out things that are &#039;red alerts&#039; for DV (i.e. if they&#039;ve been together three days and he&#039;s trying to isolate her).  If you don&#039;t present yourself as a &#039;great white hope&#039; or, god forbid, start talking at her about your take on the racial dynamics of her relationships, she might feel comfortable enough to come to you.  It has to be her decision, though-- all you can do is be a supportive sister and an informed resource who&#039;s there when she&#039;s ready.

Hope that&#039;s helpful.  I surfed over here from the &#039;On Feminism&#039; debate-- thanks to nojojojo for pointing in this direction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia, I sympathize with your plight but I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re getting at; you don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s about race, so why are you listing the races of her boyfriends and generally treating it as a &#8216;race issue&#8217;?  I&#8217;ve worked at a domestic violence shelter and trust me, it&#8217;s not about race&#8211; it happens in EVERY community.   And yet DV is still, over and over again, portrayed as a &#8216;black thing&#8217; or a &#8216;Latino thing&#8217; or a &#8216;poor thing&#8217; in the mainstream media.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a white woman who has talked with a lot of  women (a majority of whom were black, because of the location of our shelter) about violent relationships, in professional and informal situations.  I think it made a big difference that they were coming to me, as someone who was there to provide help&#8211; I wasn&#8217;t just barging into their lives and going &#8216;here&#8217;s your problem&#8217;!  Let her know you&#8217;re there for her, say things that boost her self esteem, point out things that are &#8216;red alerts&#8217; for DV (i.e. if they&#8217;ve been together three days and he&#8217;s trying to isolate her).  If you don&#8217;t present yourself as a &#8216;great white hope&#8217; or, god forbid, start talking at her about your take on the racial dynamics of her relationships, she might feel comfortable enough to come to you.  It has to be her decision, though&#8211; all you can do is be a supportive sister and an informed resource who&#8217;s there when she&#8217;s ready.</p>
<p>Hope that&#8217;s helpful.  I surfed over here from the &#8216;On Feminism&#8217; debate&#8211; thanks to nojojojo for pointing in this direction!</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Just a quick comment. I&#039;m a white woman married to a black man, and my husband&#039;s sister is perpetually denegrated by her boyfriends, who are frequently Hispanic as well as black, white, and even Asian. It&#039;s the type of man that she chooses. Her friends, all black women, do not empower her to be strong enough to leave him or to stand up for herself. I&#039;ve had this experience with one of my best friends in college who was also treated badly by her partner, so I have direct knowledge of how to handle the situation. As a woman, a friend, a mother, and a sister (even if by marriage), I feel transcending the racial aspects of our cultures to combat a HUMAN injustice is more important than dwelling on my right (or lack thereof) to comment on black-on-black mistreatment. I can&#039;t simply watch the situation unfold time and time again without trying to help her acquire some self esteem. Would it be more just if one of my strong black woman friends spoke with her instead of me, who has been a part of this family for the last 16 years, simply because I am white? I&#039;m not the great &quot;white hope&quot; either; I just really care about my sister-in-law&#039;s stability as a woman, black or otherwise. It&#039;s not my place to judge, and I&#039;d never use a blanket statement that all black men disrespect their women (my husband is a testament to that!), but I don&#039;t feel I have any less right to intervene in something that is so clearly a human issue, not strictly a race issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Just a quick comment. I&#8217;m a white woman married to a black man, and my husband&#8217;s sister is perpetually denegrated by her boyfriends, who are frequently Hispanic as well as black, white, and even Asian. It&#8217;s the type of man that she chooses. Her friends, all black women, do not empower her to be strong enough to leave him or to stand up for herself. I&#8217;ve had this experience with one of my best friends in college who was also treated badly by her partner, so I have direct knowledge of how to handle the situation. As a woman, a friend, a mother, and a sister (even if by marriage), I feel transcending the racial aspects of our cultures to combat a HUMAN injustice is more important than dwelling on my right (or lack thereof) to comment on black-on-black mistreatment. I can&#8217;t simply watch the situation unfold time and time again without trying to help her acquire some self esteem. Would it be more just if one of my strong black woman friends spoke with her instead of me, who has been a part of this family for the last 16 years, simply because I am white? I&#8217;m not the great &#8220;white hope&#8221; either; I just really care about my sister-in-law&#8217;s stability as a woman, black or otherwise. It&#8217;s not my place to judge, and I&#8217;d never use a blanket statement that all black men disrespect their women (my husband is a testament to that!), but I don&#8217;t feel I have any less right to intervene in something that is so clearly a human issue, not strictly a race issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 04:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^Okay, who&#039;s this &quot;we&quot; you&#039;re referring to?

Because I look around and see Black women uplifting each other, mentoring each other, and speaking out against anything that doesn&#039;t give us the respect we deserve.

Actually, I believe it&#039;s the stereotypes that some try to hold against others that is severely damaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^Okay, who&#8217;s this &#8220;we&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to?</p>
<p>Because I look around and see Black women uplifting each other, mentoring each other, and speaking out against anything that doesn&#8217;t give us the respect we deserve.</p>
<p>Actually, I believe it&#8217;s the stereotypes that some try to hold against others that is severely damaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Eb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it starts with ourselves. We cant expect others to respect us when we dont respect ourselves. We backstab our friends, we talk about other succesful african american women behind their backs and try to hold them down instead of uplifting, we support ignorant shows like &quot;I love new york&quot; and &quot;flavor of love&quot; that portray african american women in the most ignorant and disprespectful light. Until we take a stand on all levels to say this is unexceptable, we cant expect our men and anyone else to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it starts with ourselves. We cant expect others to respect us when we dont respect ourselves. We backstab our friends, we talk about other succesful african american women behind their backs and try to hold them down instead of uplifting, we support ignorant shows like &#8220;I love new york&#8221; and &#8220;flavor of love&#8221; that portray african american women in the most ignorant and disprespectful light. Until we take a stand on all levels to say this is unexceptable, we cant expect our men and anyone else to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to run into the party late, but thank you for posting this. It does seem as though there&#039;s a lot of finger-pointing going on (not least with those handful of men who seem confident in asserting that black women are dominant and white women are &quot;properly&quot; submissive; they certainly haven&#039;t been speaking to most of the white women &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; know) in a way dismissive and counter-productive.

As a culture, we like to point fingers at people who are &quot;worse&quot; than us in order to show how &quot;good&quot; and enlightened we are. Lately it has been extremely common in the discourse surrounding the issues faced by women in the third world, which makes me highly uncomfortable. Yes, I am an outspoken feminist and I strongly believe in stopping female genital mutilations, enforced chaste apparel such as the hijab and burqa etc. etc. However, some Western feminists speak about these issues with a huge streak of invisible racism. Sometimes this is directed at African cultures (as I believe FGM is only common in a small number of East African communities), but with increasing frequency, it is directed at Islam.

It just seems as though misogyny is increasingly racialized, to deflect the blame from &quot;normal&quot;, Western, Christian culture. Media portrayals seem obsessed with, &quot;BUT HOW ARE WOMEN TREATED IN YOUR PRIMITIVE CULTURE, DEAR?&quot; Less obviously, it is seen in the deflective comments fielded by pop-culture critics, &quot;Why are you picking on us for writing stereotypical damsels in distress, when those damn Muslim men make their women wear burqas and don&#039;t let them drive?&quot;

The intersectionality of racism and sexism is very troubling. I think on some level white people (or Western people) try to build up POC in their minds to some sort of ideal that is both terrifying and attractive. There seems to be a trend of foisting fantasies of sexual aggression onto men of color, for instance -- which seems to be an underlying contributor to white suburban teenagers&#039; morbid fascination with the darkest aspects of gangsta rap.

I&#039;m rambling, and probably jumping to conclusions, but the more I observe the pitfalls some white feminists are prone to, the more disturbed I become. I guess this is a post-cursor to my sobering discoveries about the weaknesses and prejudices of hetero-feminism. It&#039;s sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to run into the party late, but thank you for posting this. It does seem as though there&#8217;s a lot of finger-pointing going on (not least with those handful of men who seem confident in asserting that black women are dominant and white women are &#8220;properly&#8221; submissive; they certainly haven&#8217;t been speaking to most of the white women <i>I</i> know) in a way dismissive and counter-productive.</p>
<p>As a culture, we like to point fingers at people who are &#8220;worse&#8221; than us in order to show how &#8220;good&#8221; and enlightened we are. Lately it has been extremely common in the discourse surrounding the issues faced by women in the third world, which makes me highly uncomfortable. Yes, I am an outspoken feminist and I strongly believe in stopping female genital mutilations, enforced chaste apparel such as the hijab and burqa etc. etc. However, some Western feminists speak about these issues with a huge streak of invisible racism. Sometimes this is directed at African cultures (as I believe FGM is only common in a small number of East African communities), but with increasing frequency, it is directed at Islam.</p>
<p>It just seems as though misogyny is increasingly racialized, to deflect the blame from &#8220;normal&#8221;, Western, Christian culture. Media portrayals seem obsessed with, &#8220;BUT HOW ARE WOMEN TREATED IN YOUR PRIMITIVE CULTURE, DEAR?&#8221; Less obviously, it is seen in the deflective comments fielded by pop-culture critics, &#8220;Why are you picking on us for writing stereotypical damsels in distress, when those damn Muslim men make their women wear burqas and don&#8217;t let them drive?&#8221;</p>
<p>The intersectionality of racism and sexism is very troubling. I think on some level white people (or Western people) try to build up POC in their minds to some sort of ideal that is both terrifying and attractive. There seems to be a trend of foisting fantasies of sexual aggression onto men of color, for instance &#8212; which seems to be an underlying contributor to white suburban teenagers&#8217; morbid fascination with the darkest aspects of gangsta rap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rambling, and probably jumping to conclusions, but the more I observe the pitfalls some white feminists are prone to, the more disturbed I become. I guess this is a post-cursor to my sobering discoveries about the weaknesses and prejudices of hetero-feminism. It&#8217;s sad.</p>
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		<title>By: WorldTraveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>WorldTraveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABW,

Hats off to Anucha Browne-Sanders and the risk she took in pointing out what we all know should be the obvious. It really pisses me off to think that in this day and age, Anucha is embracing &quot;no small personal cost&quot; to say what&#039;s on her mind.  I&#039;ve noticed something about some black folks here as of late (not necessarily on this blog but referred to by this blog) when faced with this topic and others like it.  They start using the same tired defensive tactics to derail the main point, usually with phrases like “well, not ALL black men  (fill in the blank).&quot;  First of all, that defensive viewpoint is moot - of course we know that not ALL black men/people (fill in the blank).  But in the case of this topic (being abusive to black women) -  for those who know  black men who DON’T abuse (and I know plenty good black men), why the need to be so defensive during discussions?  If the social ill doesn&#039;t apply to you (or yours), but it obviously exists - why the need to splice statistics, or conduct analysis on who should be saying what?  Why can&#039;t we simply get on with discussing ways the ENLIGHTENED folk can influence the transgressors?

Since my college days of attending Black Man Think Tanks (Cincinnati), I’ve heard the same topics brought up – and we never seem to make progress because we continuously get bogged down into trying to disprove  issues that are so obviously  BIG ISSUES!!! We also get bogged down into details of who is reporting the phenomenon.  I’ve never needed the media to tell me ANYTHING  about the social pitfalls and accomplishments  of the black community – I can  witness it for myself.    Yes, it is true that as black people our dirty laundry is being aired…a lot lately.  But I’m more concerned about the house keeping than who’s watching– I have to live in this house! We need to see to it that our laundry is washed. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABW,</p>
<p>Hats off to Anucha Browne-Sanders and the risk she took in pointing out what we all know should be the obvious. It really pisses me off to think that in this day and age, Anucha is embracing &#8220;no small personal cost&#8221; to say what&#8217;s on her mind.  I&#8217;ve noticed something about some black folks here as of late (not necessarily on this blog but referred to by this blog) when faced with this topic and others like it.  They start using the same tired defensive tactics to derail the main point, usually with phrases like “well, not ALL black men  (fill in the blank).&#8221;  First of all, that defensive viewpoint is moot &#8211; of course we know that not ALL black men/people (fill in the blank).  But in the case of this topic (being abusive to black women) &#8211;  for those who know  black men who DON’T abuse (and I know plenty good black men), why the need to be so defensive during discussions?  If the social ill doesn&#8217;t apply to you (or yours), but it obviously exists &#8211; why the need to splice statistics, or conduct analysis on who should be saying what?  Why can&#8217;t we simply get on with discussing ways the ENLIGHTENED folk can influence the transgressors?</p>
<p>Since my college days of attending Black Man Think Tanks (Cincinnati), I’ve heard the same topics brought up – and we never seem to make progress because we continuously get bogged down into trying to disprove  issues that are so obviously  BIG ISSUES!!! We also get bogged down into details of who is reporting the phenomenon.  I’ve never needed the media to tell me ANYTHING  about the social pitfalls and accomplishments  of the black community – I can  witness it for myself.    Yes, it is true that as black people our dirty laundry is being aired…a lot lately.  But I’m more concerned about the house keeping than who’s watching– I have to live in this house! We need to see to it that our laundry is washed. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABW, nojojojo--
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my question.  It&#039;s funny because once I read your comments, they seemed like very obvious and good advice, but yet I hadn&#039;t gotten there on my own.  I mean, I also haven&#039;t been making blanket statements about any group&#039;s misogyny.  Reading your post made me start thinking about the whole issue.

I do generally feel comfortable calling out individual instances of misogyny regardless of the race of the people involved, but hadn&#039;t thought much before about the things ABW said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABW, nojojojo&#8211;<br />
Thanks for taking the time to reply to my question.  It&#8217;s funny because once I read your comments, they seemed like very obvious and good advice, but yet I hadn&#8217;t gotten there on my own.  I mean, I also haven&#8217;t been making blanket statements about any group&#8217;s misogyny.  Reading your post made me start thinking about the whole issue.</p>
<p>I do generally feel comfortable calling out individual instances of misogyny regardless of the race of the people involved, but hadn&#8217;t thought much before about the things ABW said.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting, because when Imus called Gwen Ifill a &quot;cleaning lady,&quot; that was also pretty clearly based in both racism and misogyny.  So for me, the question is why did that one slide past but the basketball team one cause a shitstorm (not enough of one, seeing that he&#039;s got a show again, but more than the Ifill comment)?  And I don&#039;t know.  Perhaps because the language was cruder?  But that doesn&#039;t make any sense--crude language is pretty standard on shows like Imus&#039;s.  But it doesn&#039;t seem &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; sexist to me than the basketball team comment, so I&#039;m not convinced that&#039;s the reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting, because when Imus called Gwen Ifill a &#8220;cleaning lady,&#8221; that was also pretty clearly based in both racism and misogyny.  So for me, the question is why did that one slide past but the basketball team one cause a shitstorm (not enough of one, seeing that he&#8217;s got a show again, but more than the Ifill comment)?  And I don&#8217;t know.  Perhaps because the language was cruder?  But that doesn&#8217;t make any sense&#8211;crude language is pretty standard on shows like Imus&#8217;s.  But it doesn&#8217;t seem <i>less</i> sexist to me than the basketball team comment, so I&#8217;m not convinced that&#8217;s the reason.</p>
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