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	<title>Comments on: ABW&#8217;s TV Corner: The Closer</title>
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		<title>By: LaDonna</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/09/02/abws-tv-corner-the-closer/comment-page-1/#comment-11137</link>
		<dc:creator>LaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Closer too. I had not thought of how diverse the cast was until reading this post. I suppose that this is evidence that television shows showing people of color can be done deftly. I too wish that the other woman character were given a little more meat to work with. Good show and thanks for recommending it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Closer too. I had not thought of how diverse the cast was until reading this post. I suppose that this is evidence that television shows showing people of color can be done deftly. I too wish that the other woman character were given a little more meat to work with. Good show and thanks for recommending it.</p>
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		<title>By: Saladin</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/09/02/abws-tv-corner-the-closer/comment-page-1/#comment-3552</link>
		<dc:creator>Saladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ABW:

The Siege -- there was lots offensive about that movie, but it is fascinating as a pre-9/11 movie.  I do give the guy some credit for trying, even if he wrote awful lines like &quot;My first boyfriend was Palestinian. My father liked to say, they seduce you with their suffering.&quot;  Plus Tony Shalhoub actually plays an Arab -- his own ethnicity -- for once!

I think that military and police dramas are some of the most &quot;integrated&quot; genres on TV and in the movies.  Think of how many of Denzel&#039;s roles, for instance are him playing an FBI agent, a military officer, or a cop.  Part of this must be because, sadly, the demographics of the military and law enforcement are more brown and black and yellow than many other fields.  But I do think part of it is also a subtle bit of brainwashing: if you serve the government (by getting shot at, no less!), you can be &quot;a star&quot; &quot;even if&quot; you&#039;re not white.

And why are legal dramas always on the side of the prosecution?  We need a show about public defenders...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ABW:</p>
<p>The Siege &#8212; there was lots offensive about that movie, but it is fascinating as a pre-9/11 movie.  I do give the guy some credit for trying, even if he wrote awful lines like &#8220;My first boyfriend was Palestinian. My father liked to say, they seduce you with their suffering.&#8221;  Plus Tony Shalhoub actually plays an Arab &#8212; his own ethnicity &#8212; for once!</p>
<p>I think that military and police dramas are some of the most &#8220;integrated&#8221; genres on TV and in the movies.  Think of how many of Denzel&#8217;s roles, for instance are him playing an FBI agent, a military officer, or a cop.  Part of this must be because, sadly, the demographics of the military and law enforcement are more brown and black and yellow than many other fields.  But I do think part of it is also a subtle bit of brainwashing: if you serve the government (by getting shot at, no less!), you can be &#8220;a star&#8221; &#8220;even if&#8221; you&#8217;re not white.</p>
<p>And why are legal dramas always on the side of the prosecution?  We need a show about public defenders&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: daisydeadhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>daisydeadhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only issue with the show:  another New Yorker attempting a southern accent.  &lt;i&gt;(((cringes)))&lt;/i&gt;

If you ain&#039;t somebody like Frances McDormand or Kathy Bates, &lt;i&gt;please don&#039;t. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only issue with the show:  another New Yorker attempting a southern accent.  <i>(((cringes)))</i></p>
<p>If you ain&#8217;t somebody like Frances McDormand or Kathy Bates, <i>please don&#8217;t. </i></p>
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		<title>By: the angry black woman</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/09/02/abws-tv-corner-the-closer/comment-page-1/#comment-3554</link>
		<dc:creator>the angry black woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saladin, your second paragraph reminded me of the movie &lt;i&gt;The Siege&lt;/i&gt;.  That&#039;s the flagship movies for this phenomenon.  (even though it was a good movie and quite prescient considering it was made well before 9/11)

It may not be that cop shows are the only ones with proportional casts, just that there are an asston of cop/crime shows on right now.  Law &amp; Order and CSI have been around forever, but it feels like every new drama is some kind of business about solving crime.  It&#039;s what people are in to right now.  I agree, though, that it&#039;s annoying because there are very few balanced portrayals of cops in these shows.  The cops are always or mostly the good guys and, as someone mentioned over on the CS thread, way more careful and non-prejudiced than real life would indicate.

I don&#039;t have a TV, though, so  rarely see any shows that aren&#039;t the ones I watch, so you may be right that mostly it&#039;s cop shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saladin, your second paragraph reminded me of the movie <i>The Siege</i>.  That&#8217;s the flagship movies for this phenomenon.  (even though it was a good movie and quite prescient considering it was made well before 9/11)</p>
<p>It may not be that cop shows are the only ones with proportional casts, just that there are an asston of cop/crime shows on right now.  Law &amp; Order and CSI have been around forever, but it feels like every new drama is some kind of business about solving crime.  It&#8217;s what people are in to right now.  I agree, though, that it&#8217;s annoying because there are very few balanced portrayals of cops in these shows.  The cops are always or mostly the good guys and, as someone mentioned over on the CS thread, way more careful and non-prejudiced than real life would indicate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a TV, though, so  rarely see any shows that aren&#8217;t the ones I watch, so you may be right that mostly it&#8217;s cop shows.</p>
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		<title>By: Saladin</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/09/02/abws-tv-corner-the-closer/comment-page-1/#comment-3555</link>
		<dc:creator>Saladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be the dissenting whiner again here: why is it that the only shows that ever have even close to proportional representation are cop shows?  I guess it&#039;s increasingly reflective of big city police forces, but I find it disturbing that the only time people of color get to be heroes is when they play Law And Order (as it were) agents of the state.  Esp. since (in real life) DAs, prosecutors and police are as often villains as they are heroes in the lives of people of color (look at incarceration rates, racial profiling, dispropotionate sentencing, etc).

Arabs are starting to go through this now: we used to just be faceless bullet sponges for Chuck Norris, Ah-nold, et al.  Now, once in a while (and I suspect increasingly), we &quot;get to&quot; be USA-loving 2nd-stringer federal agents and lackeys (see Jamie Foxx&#039;s upcoming The Kingdom) who help lock up and kill -- you guessed it -- other Arabs.  Ambiguous progress, to my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be the dissenting whiner again here: why is it that the only shows that ever have even close to proportional representation are cop shows?  I guess it&#8217;s increasingly reflective of big city police forces, but I find it disturbing that the only time people of color get to be heroes is when they play Law And Order (as it were) agents of the state.  Esp. since (in real life) DAs, prosecutors and police are as often villains as they are heroes in the lives of people of color (look at incarceration rates, racial profiling, dispropotionate sentencing, etc).</p>
<p>Arabs are starting to go through this now: we used to just be faceless bullet sponges for Chuck Norris, Ah-nold, et al.  Now, once in a while (and I suspect increasingly), we &#8220;get to&#8221; be USA-loving 2nd-stringer federal agents and lackeys (see Jamie Foxx&#8217;s upcoming The Kingdom) who help lock up and kill &#8212; you guessed it &#8212; other Arabs.  Ambiguous progress, to my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/09/02/abws-tv-corner-the-closer/comment-page-1/#comment-3556</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 03:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love The Closer!  Thanks for writing this positive post about it.  &lt;i&gt;Thankyew!  Thankyew so much!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love The Closer!  Thanks for writing this positive post about it.  <i>Thankyew!  Thankyew so much!</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ico</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/09/02/abws-tv-corner-the-closer/comment-page-1/#comment-3558</link>
		<dc:creator>Ico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I love The Closer!  Wonderful show.  Also enjoyed its predecessor, Prime Suspect, which sadly lacks the racial diversity but has a tougher, grittier female detective in the lead (and she&#039;s played by Helen Mirren!!!)

The Closer Season 2 lost some of the focus on Gabriel, which is a shame because I like him.  Still, it&#039;s a great show.  The episodes don&#039;t shy away from serious subject matter, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I love The Closer!  Wonderful show.  Also enjoyed its predecessor, Prime Suspect, which sadly lacks the racial diversity but has a tougher, grittier female detective in the lead (and she&#8217;s played by Helen Mirren!!!)</p>
<p>The Closer Season 2 lost some of the focus on Gabriel, which is a shame because I like him.  Still, it&#8217;s a great show.  The episodes don&#8217;t shy away from serious subject matter, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Oyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, thanks for the note on The Closer! I&#039;m definitely adding that to my Netflix queue now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, thanks for the note on The Closer! I&#8217;m definitely adding that to my Netflix queue now.</p>
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