Comments on: What the hell is wrong with i-D Magazine? http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/ Race, Politics, Gender, Sexuality, Anger Wed, 23 May 2012 23:58:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Bicki http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3510 Bicki Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:54:02 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3510 I find that yes she is beautiful. Visuals are very effective. My caution is that Visuals can be passive aggressive and will send a message. What that message is depends on the person. Due to the fact that there even CAN be a degrading message behind this- means it is something that should not be used. We can have black images that are real ,beautiful and current without adding the levels that are in this particular "art". I think it is a problem to have this visual out there, as to say it is ok in passive aggressive way. I find that yes she is beautiful. Visuals are very effective. My caution is that Visuals can be passive aggressive and will send a message. What that message is depends on the person. Due to the fact that there even CAN be a degrading message behind this- means it is something that should not be used. We can have black images that are real ,beautiful and current without adding the levels that are in this particular “art”. I think it is a problem to have this visual out there, as to say it is ok in passive aggressive way.

]]> By: Rashad http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3509 Rashad Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:08:25 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3509 I actually did not find the ad very offensive, at all in fact. I am a black male, and I thought that the photo was actually quite compelling. The model looks gorgeous, it is just satire based on the minstrelsy of the late 1800s-early 1900s. I loved the ad, and i have it hanging on my wall. I think that "you people" are taking this too seriously, really. I am comfortable to make racial statements and jokes around my friends, lighten up. (no pun intended) I actually did not find the ad very offensive, at all in fact. I am a black male, and I thought that the photo was actually quite compelling. The model looks gorgeous, it is just satire based on the minstrelsy of the late 1800s-early 1900s. I loved the ad, and i have it hanging on my wall. I think that “you people” are taking this too seriously, really. I am comfortable to make racial statements and jokes around my friends, lighten up. (no pun intended)

]]> By: the Fashion Spot - Campbell criticises Vogue for lack of black models http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3508 the Fashion Spot - Campbell criticises Vogue for lack of black models Tue, 13 May 2008 13:16:55 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3508 [...] What the hell is wrong with i-D Magazine? Some outlets have taken the AA aesthetic to the next level. Take a look (click to read the text): Jaw not on the floor? Don?t see what?s so wrong with this image? Well, let me break it down for you. This is an image from a popular contemporary cartoon called Drawn Together: It depicts the character Foxxy Love as a minstrel show mammy caricature (explanation). The episode features several parodies of black cartoon stereotypes, like so: But where exactly did the creators of this show come up with this image? Perhaps you?re not familiar with this: Or this: Those are images from one of the banned Merrie Melodie cartoons from the 30?s. Notice the dark skin and big pink lips? Let?s take another look at that i-D Magazine photo: She?s looking an awful lot like another racist image: So, my basic question is: What the Hell is Wrong with i-D Magazine? My second question is: What the hell is wrong with American Apparel that they didn?t object to this image (they are quite proud of their spread as they have a copy of it on their website). Third question: What the hell are we going to do about it? http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress....h-id-magazine/ [...] [...] What the hell is wrong with i-D Magazine? Some outlets have taken the AA aesthetic to the next level. Take a look (click to read the text): Jaw not on the floor? Don?t see what?s so wrong with this image? Well, let me break it down for you. This is an image from a popular contemporary cartoon called Drawn Together: It depicts the character Foxxy Love as a minstrel show mammy caricature (explanation). The episode features several parodies of black cartoon stereotypes, like so: But where exactly did the creators of this show come up with this image? Perhaps you?re not familiar with this: Or this: Those are images from one of the banned Merrie Melodie cartoons from the 30?s. Notice the dark skin and big pink lips? Let?s take another look at that i-D Magazine photo: She?s looking an awful lot like another racist image: So, my basic question is: What the Hell is Wrong with i-D Magazine? My second question is: What the hell is wrong with American Apparel that they didn?t object to this image (they are quite proud of their spread as they have a copy of it on their website). Third question: What the hell are we going to do about it? http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress….h-id-magazine/ [...]

]]> By: Angel H. http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3507 Angel H. Thu, 08 May 2008 14:02:43 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3507 <blockquote>We have to accept there is a part of our culture who thinks its pretty. We have to accept it still hold currency. </blockquote> Why should we accept it? You said so yourself "racism is ugly". I don't know about you, but I don't like ugly.

We have to accept there is a part of our culture who thinks its pretty. We have to accept it still hold currency.

Why should we accept it? You said so yourself “racism is ugly”.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t like ugly.

]]> By: MeMees http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3451 MeMees Wed, 07 May 2008 13:30:35 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3451 It sux because right now they have an excellent cover with an androgynous celebrity I would kill to get but now I dont know if I should support them with my money. It sux because right now they have an excellent cover with an androgynous celebrity I would kill to get but now I dont know if I should support them with my money.

]]> By: MeMees http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3450 MeMees Wed, 07 May 2008 13:28:57 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3450 This work is thought provoking. Anyone who does this could be doing it in an attempt to get people to think about racism and where it comes from, as well as to keep it alive and popular by being made pretty. Racism is ugly, it not the pretty picture of everyone getting along and overcoming it. Racism is not Martin Luther Kind and Malcom X, its minstrel and mammy and poverty. Its this image , actually. Its somewhat unreal and real at the same time. It is offensive, and it is extraordinary in the fact that Its embarrassing , its shaming and its human, all at the same time. We have to accept there is a part of our culture who thinks its pretty. We have to accept it still hold currency. Much like the N-word, its not going away but continues to re-invent itself in new ways ( very rarely revealing itself for what it is). Do I think it has something to do with corporate culture and $$$, of course. It only seems hopeless until we find a way to deal with it.....however that way may be. This work is thought provoking.
Anyone who does this could be doing it in an attempt to get people to think about racism and where it comes from, as well as to keep it alive and popular by being made pretty. Racism is ugly, it not the pretty picture of everyone getting along and overcoming it. Racism is not Martin Luther Kind and Malcom X, its minstrel and mammy and poverty. Its this image , actually. Its somewhat unreal and real at the same time. It is offensive, and it is extraordinary in the fact that Its embarrassing , its shaming and its human, all at the same time.
We have to accept there is a part of our culture who thinks its pretty. We have to accept it still hold currency. Much like the N-word, its not going away but continues to re-invent itself in new ways ( very rarely revealing itself for what it is). Do I think it has something to do with corporate culture and $$$, of course.
It only seems hopeless until we find a way to deal with it…..however that way may be.

]]> By: Alec http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3461 Alec Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:59:06 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3461 Thanks to this post, Dov Charney just got the EXACT response he wanted from 54 more people. Thanks to this post, Dov Charney just got the EXACT response he wanted from 54 more people.

]]> By: nojojojo http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3453 nojojojo Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:18:13 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3453 ABW: Hey!! What are you doing up this early? =P ABW: Hey!! What are you doing up this early? =P

]]> By: nojojojo http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3458 nojojojo Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:17:22 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3458 Calling most of the thread "idiots"... 2 cents. (We've heard it before too much, sorry.) Repeatedly using "all of you" in a thread full of people with differing opinions... 11 cents. Dredging up antiquated obscure ways of saying "idiots" in an amusing bid to make yourself sound rly smaht, without realizing that you've effectively just said "idiotic fucking idiots" and it just makes you sound like a moron... 50 cents. Getting a warning from guest moderator Nora in your first post? PRICELESS. "black artist", You've got some interesting points here about the value of the photo as art in and of itself. If you'd actually bothered to share some of your artistic insight with the non-artists here instead of railing semi-coherently at everyone, you would have actually contributed something useful to the discussion and I would have respected you a lot more. Disagreement is never a problem here, but disagreeing in such a childish and abusive way... well. It's almost LAUGHABLE. So I won't disemvowel you... yet. I think that once you count backwards from 100 and go write some moody poetry to vent your frustration or something, you might have something to say that's worth hearing. But leave the condescension and abusiveness at home, OK? Oh, and check "The Rules" tab up at the top of the page. It'll help. Calling most of the thread “idiots”… 2 cents. (We’ve heard it before too much, sorry.)

Repeatedly using “all of you” in a thread full of people with differing opinions… 11 cents.

Dredging up antiquated obscure ways of saying “idiots” in an amusing bid to make yourself sound rly smaht, without realizing that you’ve effectively just said “idiotic fucking idiots” and it just makes you sound like a moron… 50 cents.

Getting a warning from guest moderator Nora in your first post? PRICELESS.

“black artist”,

You’ve got some interesting points here about the value of the photo as art in and of itself. If you’d actually bothered to share some of your artistic insight with the non-artists here instead of railing semi-coherently at everyone, you would have actually contributed something useful to the discussion and I would have respected you a lot more. Disagreement is never a problem here, but disagreeing in such a childish and abusive way… well. It’s almost LAUGHABLE.

So I won’t disemvowel you… yet. I think that once you count backwards from 100 and go write some moody poetry to vent your frustration or something, you might have something to say that’s worth hearing. But leave the condescension and abusiveness at home, OK? Oh, and check “The Rules” tab up at the top of the page. It’ll help.

]]> By: the angry black woman http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/comment-page-1/#comment-3465 the angry black woman Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:57:12 +0000 http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/what-the-hell-is-wrong-with-id-magazine/#comment-3465 It's funny, I've often observed that those claiming to be the 'voice of reason" while showing themselves to be potty-mouthed idiots are often exactly the opposite. Go fig. I'm also highly in doubt that this person is black - not because I don't feel black people couldn't hold the opinion he does, just that, along with his fake reason and potty-mouth, it seems like he's trying to add weight to his rant by first stating that he's black. Like somehow that's going to give him more cred. Sorry, dude, you get no cred. It's hard to take you seriously when you display so little culture and education yourself. If you had actually wanted to have a serious conversation about the artistic merits of that picture, we could have. But you would have had to go about it in a different way. Not to call you on your tone or anything, but conversations that start out with "you're all goddamned uncultured idiots" can't really go anywhere but downhill. That said, you're completely off your nut. Thanks for playing. It’s funny, I’ve often observed that those claiming to be the ‘voice of reason” while showing themselves to be potty-mouthed idiots are often exactly the opposite. Go fig. I’m also highly in doubt that this person is black – not because I don’t feel black people couldn’t hold the opinion he does, just that, along with his fake reason and potty-mouth, it seems like he’s trying to add weight to his rant by first stating that he’s black. Like somehow that’s going to give him more cred.

Sorry, dude, you get no cred.

It’s hard to take you seriously when you display so little culture and education yourself. If you had actually wanted to have a serious conversation about the artistic merits of that picture, we could have. But you would have had to go about it in a different way. Not to call you on your tone or anything, but conversations that start out with “you’re all goddamned uncultured idiots” can’t really go anywhere but downhill.

That said, you’re completely off your nut. Thanks for playing.

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