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		<title>By: Visionspring</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2769</link>
		<dc:creator>Visionspring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angel H&gt;&gt; I absolutely plan on going to the Gathering some time in the future...but alas I live in New Zealand! I want to plan a huge US trip sometime spread out over a couple of months, and attend the Gathering, ComicCon etc.  I tend to skulk around the Monthly Gargoyles contest sites, and keep in touch with some of the old artists from the fandom such as Stephanie Lostimolo, Crzydemona and Aimee Major  :)

I loved Elisa Masa, especially watching the show as a young brown girl and seeing that the main kick-ass character who befriends friggin gargoyles was like me!! And to Goliath and the clan, she was just another modern day human...It wasn&#039;t like &quot;yeah yeah look at me I&#039;m mixed&quot; - Elisa was just another New Yorker.  Gargoyles did diversity well, for a Disney production....

the angry black woman&gt;&gt; I have tried to insidiously (haha) push the presence of POC in some of my past illustration jobs for mainstream pop culture magazines, and my overall agenda is to definitely create a normalised presence of POC in the figurative art world as opposed to the overwhelmingly unrealistic white-washed one at present.  I have also sold some paintings depicting women of colour and such, but I find that many white patrons who like my art think that having a painting with a black girl in it is &quot;OMG like totally styley&quot; and treat POC like fashion accessories or something.  Like when you go to a fashion show and the only colour model they have is someone like Alek Wek (who is awesome by the way) but they like to include her for &quot;shock&quot; value (shocking to the white mainstream) and contrast....Its hard to explain. That fashion/styley tokenising of POC is yet another thing to change. SO MANY ISSUES ARGH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angel H&gt;&gt; I absolutely plan on going to the Gathering some time in the future&#8230;but alas I live in New Zealand! I want to plan a huge US trip sometime spread out over a couple of months, and attend the Gathering, ComicCon etc.  I tend to skulk around the Monthly Gargoyles contest sites, and keep in touch with some of the old artists from the fandom such as Stephanie Lostimolo, Crzydemona and Aimee Major  :)</p>
<p>I loved Elisa Masa, especially watching the show as a young brown girl and seeing that the main kick-ass character who befriends friggin gargoyles was like me!! And to Goliath and the clan, she was just another modern day human&#8230;It wasn&#8217;t like &#8220;yeah yeah look at me I&#8217;m mixed&#8221; &#8211; Elisa was just another New Yorker.  Gargoyles did diversity well, for a Disney production&#8230;.</p>
<p>the angry black woman&gt;&gt; I have tried to insidiously (haha) push the presence of POC in some of my past illustration jobs for mainstream pop culture magazines, and my overall agenda is to definitely create a normalised presence of POC in the figurative art world as opposed to the overwhelmingly unrealistic white-washed one at present.  I have also sold some paintings depicting women of colour and such, but I find that many white patrons who like my art think that having a painting with a black girl in it is &#8220;OMG like totally styley&#8221; and treat POC like fashion accessories or something.  Like when you go to a fashion show and the only colour model they have is someone like Alek Wek (who is awesome by the way) but they like to include her for &#8220;shock&#8221; value (shocking to the white mainstream) and contrast&#8230;.Its hard to explain. That fashion/styley tokenising of POC is yet another thing to change. SO MANY ISSUES ARGH</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2763</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES! &quot;Gargoyles&quot; was a show that proved that diversity - in casting and in storyline - could actually work!

Y&#039;know when I first saw Elisa Maza I thought something was wrong with my TV? No way could a sista - a smart, kickass sista no less! - be the lead heroine in a &lt;b&gt;Disney&lt;/b&gt; cartoon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES! &#8220;Gargoyles&#8221; was a show that proved that diversity &#8211; in casting and in storyline &#8211; could actually work!</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know when I first saw Elisa Maza I thought something was wrong with my TV? No way could a sista &#8211; a smart, kickass sista no less! &#8211; be the lead heroine in a <b>Disney</b> cartoon!</p>
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		<title>By: the angry black woman</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2764</link>
		<dc:creator>the angry black woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh heck yeah!  Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis and almost every cool Star Trek actor in existence?  Keith David and Sally Richardson?  A show that weaves together myth, folklore, legend, and Shakespeare?  In an intelligent way, even?  Good writing, good animation, kick-ass monsters?  Why WOULDN&#039;T I love Gargoyles?  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh heck yeah!  Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis and almost every cool Star Trek actor in existence?  Keith David and Sally Richardson?  A show that weaves together myth, folklore, legend, and Shakespeare?  In an intelligent way, even?  Good writing, good animation, kick-ass monsters?  Why WOULDN&#8217;T I love Gargoyles?  :D</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2765</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT?! ABW, you&#039;re a &quot;Gargoyles&quot; fan, too?!!!

So! Freakin&#039;! Awesome!!

&lt;i&gt;[geek fit! geek fit! geek fit!]&lt;/i&gt; :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT?! ABW, you&#8217;re a &#8220;Gargoyles&#8221; fan, too?!!!</p>
<p>So! Freakin&#8217;! Awesome!!</p>
<p><i>[geek fit! geek fit! geek fit!]</i> :-D</p>
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		<title>By: the angry black woman</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2766</link>
		<dc:creator>the angry black woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 03:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh wow... gargoyles fans.  I may have to geek out with you all over that one.

Visionspring, thanks for stopping by!  Do you ever do illustrations for magazines?  Though there are mostly white protagonists, there are probably a few more chances to depict some brown-skinned people.

I&#039;m going to poke around your site.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wow&#8230; gargoyles fans.  I may have to geek out with you all over that one.</p>
<p>Visionspring, thanks for stopping by!  Do you ever do illustrations for magazines?  Though there are mostly white protagonists, there are probably a few more chances to depict some brown-skinned people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to poke around your site.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2767</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Visionspring: I checked out your site....

You had me at &quot;Demona&quot;!! :D

Are gonna be at The Gathering? Do you hang out at the fansites? Do you do any other fan art?

Yay! Another &quot;Gargoyles&quot; fan! :D :D !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Visionspring: I checked out your site&#8230;.</p>
<p>You had me at &#8220;Demona&#8221;!! :D</p>
<p>Are gonna be at The Gathering? Do you hang out at the fansites? Do you do any other fan art?</p>
<p>Yay! Another &#8220;Gargoyles&#8221; fan! :D :D !!</p>
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		<title>By: Visionspring</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2768</link>
		<dc:creator>Visionspring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there!

I just want to say that I really enjoy reading your blog, especially the posts that deal with the fantasy/sci-fi genre and race.  You articulate so many of the thoughts that have flown around my head over the years regarding race and fantasy/sci-fi :)

I am a fantasy artist and I want to portray people of colour in my work. I am a brown person who grew up in apartheid South Africa, so race issues are always on my mind. This is not possible when working for clients eg a fantasy/sci-fi book cover, because 10 times out of 10, the main character is white. I sometimes feel so argh towards figurative fantasy art in general and how overwhelmingly white it is....even little things like art books and tutorials, which teach you how to paint &quot;skin tones&quot; ie white skin, and its so hard to find technical information about painting black skin (skin tones are very complex and need heaps of understanding about light, hue, saturation - books can be written on the subject!)

I feel I can effect things slowly by painting unstereotyped, strong and heroic POC characters, and change the world little by little  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there!</p>
<p>I just want to say that I really enjoy reading your blog, especially the posts that deal with the fantasy/sci-fi genre and race.  You articulate so many of the thoughts that have flown around my head over the years regarding race and fantasy/sci-fi :)</p>
<p>I am a fantasy artist and I want to portray people of colour in my work. I am a brown person who grew up in apartheid South Africa, so race issues are always on my mind. This is not possible when working for clients eg a fantasy/sci-fi book cover, because 10 times out of 10, the main character is white. I sometimes feel so argh towards figurative fantasy art in general and how overwhelmingly white it is&#8230;.even little things like art books and tutorials, which teach you how to paint &#8220;skin tones&#8221; ie white skin, and its so hard to find technical information about painting black skin (skin tones are very complex and need heaps of understanding about light, hue, saturation &#8211; books can be written on the subject!)</p>
<p>I feel I can effect things slowly by painting unstereotyped, strong and heroic POC characters, and change the world little by little  :P</p>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2746</link>
		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>::horror::  Somebody had a convo about Jem and the Holograms and I WASN&#039;T THERE?!  Who is responsible for this crime!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>::horror::  Somebody had a convo about Jem and the Holograms and I WASN&#8217;T THERE?!  Who is responsible for this crime!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: naamenblog</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2752</link>
		<dc:creator>naamenblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,
It was so much fun being Con buddies! The drinking and discussing the relationship dynamics of Jem/Rio/Jerrica was definitely one of the highlights of the weekend.

There was a moment during the Con where I thought, &#039;Yeah, we have all these panels on race but what&#039;s happening in all the other panels?&#039; Then I just sort of forgot about it but your plan is a good one. No one wants to be the tolerance police, as you said, but knowing how supportive the Con is now I&#039;ll feel much more comfortable speaking up next year.

Naamen

P.S. Also you need to tell me of these markets that are nice to fledgling writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,<br />
It was so much fun being Con buddies! The drinking and discussing the relationship dynamics of Jem/Rio/Jerrica was definitely one of the highlights of the weekend.</p>
<p>There was a moment during the Con where I thought, &#8216;Yeah, we have all these panels on race but what&#8217;s happening in all the other panels?&#8217; Then I just sort of forgot about it but your plan is a good one. No one wants to be the tolerance police, as you said, but knowing how supportive the Con is now I&#8217;ll feel much more comfortable speaking up next year.</p>
<p>Naamen</p>
<p>P.S. Also you need to tell me of these markets that are nice to fledgling writers.</p>
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		<title>By: will shetterly</title>
		<link>http://theangryblackwoman.com/2007/05/30/wiscon-report-the-first/comment-page-1/#comment-2756</link>
		<dc:creator>will shetterly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Badgerbag, it may be that I should back up to clarify: If I&#039;d been casting Firefly, the Tams would&#039;ve been Asian and at least a third of the characters who appear in the inner planets would&#039;ve been Asian.

But if you accept the claim that the actors cast were the best available, then Mr. or Mrs. Tam needed to look Asian. Saying that the least demanding role could&#039;ve been Asian is not paternalistic. It&#039;s damning the show creators. Maybe the next Chow Yun-Fat didn&#039;t show up to read for Dad&#039;s part, so it was right for that part to go to a white guy. But there&#039;s no way they couldn&#039;t have found an Asian actor who was at least as good as the woman who played Mom. The casting director simply can&#039;t wriggle out of that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Badgerbag, it may be that I should back up to clarify: If I&#8217;d been casting Firefly, the Tams would&#8217;ve been Asian and at least a third of the characters who appear in the inner planets would&#8217;ve been Asian.</p>
<p>But if you accept the claim that the actors cast were the best available, then Mr. or Mrs. Tam needed to look Asian. Saying that the least demanding role could&#8217;ve been Asian is not paternalistic. It&#8217;s damning the show creators. Maybe the next Chow Yun-Fat didn&#8217;t show up to read for Dad&#8217;s part, so it was right for that part to go to a white guy. But there&#8217;s no way they couldn&#8217;t have found an Asian actor who was at least as good as the woman who played Mom. The casting director simply can&#8217;t wriggle out of that one.</p>
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